Palm Valley & Maree trip in January 07

Submitted: Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 20:04
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We are going to travel from Alice aound the ranges down to Palm Valley and back out via the loop to Kings Canyon then to the Olgas and then down the highway turn left to Maree and down to the Fliders....
So my question is what will the road be like on the Palm Valley to Kings Canyon and the Roxby Down to Maree and on to the Flinders Ranges.
Just checking if rain is an issue. I know it will be hot, fly etc but bogged up to the door I don't want
all assistance please
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Reply By: Notso - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 20:24

Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 20:24
Yep, Hot, Dusty, flies, Bl^&** Hot and more flies.

They do get rain there in the summer occasionally but you'd be unlucky.

We were in Palm Valley and it rained for two days but we still drove out OK.

Road will be corrugated but Ok they do it in toyota corollas and landcruisers so it can't be too bad? LOL

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Reply By: Member - Vince B (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 20:59

Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 20:59
Hi NC.
The October edition of Overlander mag has an interesting article on the Fink Gorge track.
Did you plan to continue on from Palm valley & head south to the Ernest Giles road or return to Hermannsburg & follow Larapinta Drive to Kings Canyon.
Enjoy the trip.
Regards.
Vince
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Follow Up By: Member - N C (TAS) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 06:14

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 06:14
No into Palm Valley and back out.
Planning to camp at Palm Valley
Interested in the water across road thing some have mentioned
regards
Nick
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 06:32

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 06:32
Nick,

When it rains in the centre some of the rivers come to life, fill to overflowing and cut access routes into and out of places like Alice Springs.

I passed through Alice about five years ago on the way to the top end and the only water in the Todd was the permanent waterhole behind the telegraph station. A couple of weeks later we were experiencing rain heading back down the Stuart Highway that started to cause flooding. About 50k's out of Alice we hit water across the road and then proceeded into Alice with the water a few inches over the top of the bitumen. The only way you could see where the road went was to follow the white dotted line visible under the water. By the time we got to Alice, the Todd had broken its banks isolating the western bank from the rest of Alice. We had to wait 3 days for the road south to Adelaide to open as the Finke and two other rivers had cut the Stuart Highway. When we finally were given the OK we passed the sections where the rivers crossed the highway and bulldozers were still shifting metres of silt off the roadway and verges.

Boy, we experienced water across the road. It was absolutely mind blowing witnessing first hand what Mummy Nature can do when she's having her monthlies.

A truly fascinating experience.
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Reply By: Willem - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 21:26

Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 21:26
I have been in Finke Gorge at the end of January.

It was 34 degrees at 2am!!!

The Flinders Ranges will be around the 45 to 50 degree mark during the day, every day. I will be out there minding a property in January but will be hiding indoors in the air conditioning and will only come outside after dark...lol

Occasionally there is summer rain but you would have to be unlucky to strike it. Then again..........

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Hairy - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 23:16

Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 23:16
did they get the am thing?
winter has gone I think, me little fella said its warminig up!
You worked out who roger is?
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 23:28

Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 23:28
No.. dunno who Roger is.
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Reply By: slammin - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 22:50

Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 22:50
The centre gets most of it's rain in Dec Jan Feb March, caused by the monsoons being pushed south. The biggest drenchings we get are from NW Aust cyclones, they can track 100's of clicks inland and are a godsend when they arrive here.

It will also not only be HOT but humid the most I have ever experienced and I love and have lived in the tropics. Picture a 42' day with a midday shower and then the sun comes out.........

You're biggest risk will not be from being bogged but being marooned by closed roads or impassable rivers. When reopened they can be cut to pieces and very slow with lots of cautions. Alice often gets cut Nth and Sth by rivers over the Stuart Hwy.

Last wet season was pretty dry and we've only had scattered 20mls showers once this year. By the way 2000-2003 were some of the wettest years in the 100 year cycle for the centre. Keep in mind, from what I've been told, it's pretty much rained continually in FNQ for the past year. So if was a betting man I think it will be marginal here this year.

The flys are already black at lunchtime at Kings Canyon, my 2 & 4 yr old had lunch in the car with aircon on last weekend because they would've been eating flys otherwise. Not yet in your ears and eyes but it's shaping up for a good season. We had small very scattered showers today and if that continues the buggers will breed. Pack a good flynet that has very fine mesh and that can tuck into your shirt because they will find any holes and conjunctavitas ain't fun.

Weighing up the neg's of fly's, possible closed roads, heat, closed shops etc you have few tourists, great waterholes, beautiful nights, lightning storms and the comaraderie of sharing rare rainfalls and possibly seeing the oldest rivers in the world doing "a banker".

My 1st trip to the desert was your itinery in reverse except Maree - William Ck - Dalhousie Lake when I was 21 with 4 mates, we left on Xmas day and had a ball for 2mths, I liked it so much I live here now.

Good luck,

Slammin.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 08:05

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 08:05
G'day slammin

How are things? You have been pretty quiet of late. Working hard no doubt :-)

Cheers
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Follow Up By: slammin - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 14:46

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 14:46
Hi Willem,

I'm still out here, all's going well. This place is great and doing well. One of the success stories that never makes the news.

I've been reading your posts about your travels and been pretty damn envious.

You hit the nail on the head, BUSY feel like I'm trying to catch my tail some days. That's the way it goes working with anklebiters in tow.

The other thing that has slowed my postings is we only get 25kbps so if it's too slow to load it's no go.

Anyway, gotta check out school of the air now so look forward to your posts, keep well.

Slammin
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 21:45

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 21:45
Yep thats pretty nice country out there. I did a run with permission from Tempe through to where you are some years ago. Bowsons Hut and through the Gap.

There is a couple, who have recently retired here to our town. They told me they worked out there in the 1970's and thoroughly enjoyed themselves. Think they were there for some years.

Cheers
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Reply By: cityslicker - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 13:01

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 13:01
We did the Mereenie loop from Glen Helen to Kings Canyon at the beginning of the month and it was in pretty good condition. A bit corrugated, but with the tyres at about 24 psi it was easy going at 70 - 80 km/h.

Palm Valley was also no dramas as long as you've got a 4wd with reasonable clearance. We just took it slow towards the end where it gets a bit rough. Mind you, we were overtaken by a 4wd tourist bus that looked like it was on a bitumen highway.

Its great country out there!
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Reply By: Beastie - Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 18:42

Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 18:42
Gather it has just rained at the Alice, so best to get info from the Alice itself. Try the Dept, or Hermansburg for Palm Valley.
Give thought to going down the Ellery Gorge into Finke River on way south. Slow in places but a beautiful drive. Definitely check road conditions locally first.
Just came through Maree to Flinders last week. Had 2'' rain in twelve months. Hiked up Mt john Roberts from Bunyip Chasm. Never seen even Gammons so dry.
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Reply By: Member - Royce- Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 19:03

Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 19:03
Be prepared for Palm Valley. Expect tourist buses and lots of tourists. It has a carpark and picnic areas and mate.... it just doesn't look like you expect.

Yes it's special if you take time to walk and look and understand, but for me a bit of a disappointment. So poke in where you can along the Fink and enjoy the remote areas before you hit the tourist spot!
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