4wd Training Courses. + Hard to close door.
Submitted: Monday, Dec 25, 2006 at 23:53
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4wdNewbie
Hey guys, me again... :P
Just wondering how many of you have actually done 4wd training courses. I definately plan on doing one as soon as possible. Also in the
Sydney (or thereabout) area, where and who do you recommend for the training course? Just wanna hear it from the other forumites before I go through the site or magazines recommendations as they have sponsers and im sure will push their own agendas.
On an entirely different note... The drivers side front door on the GQ is being a real bugga at times... at times ive gotta really yank it to close the damn thing... Short of gettin on steroids im thinking that perhaps I should try greasin up the hinge as i can see it getting stuck on it. What product should i use? Would my good ole friend the WD40 spray do the trick?
Cheers!
Reply By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 00:14
Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 00:14
Join a 4WD club (~$70-180) and do the course though the association (~$100, some clubs include the cost with
membership). Cheapest and best way, and you get to meet other drivers with similar vehicles, or who live in your local area, in an environment conducive to ongoing long term friendships. I've still got friends I made some 25 years ago.....
If your door is jamming a bit, it may need to be adjusted on striker to the lock (chassis bending over time causing misalignment). Dirt and dust may have gotten in to the lock, but the solution would be a clean out and carbon lock lubricant, rather than anything that may add to the dust/dirt collection properties of grease.
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Follow Up By: Richard W (NSW) - Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 06:17
Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 06:17
As Gary said re clubs.
A lot of the clubs include training in the joining fee.
Below is a link to NSW & ACT 4WD that will allow you to look for a club. Some of the clubs links go to their websites so you can sus them out.
link NSW & ACT 4WD
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val W (ACT) - Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 07:51
Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 07:51
AS Garry and Richard suggest - join a 4WD club and enjoy lots of benefits - some clubs are for thrill seekers who want to know how to push their vehicles to the limit, others for travellers who just want to go bush with the confidence that they can get themselves out of trouble, others want the cameraderie of other travellers, others aimed at families, most of course have elements of all sorts of people with all sorts of vehicles and ambitions.
Suggest check around (see Richard's link) for a club which caters for your sorts of interests and offers comprehensive training to newcomers. Before participating in club trips, our club requires that members go through a 3 day course, about half being driving one-on-one with an instructor in difficult terrain. You learn a lot about your vehicle's capabilities, and, though we've been driving for close to half a century, even more about your own! In the process you meet some great people.
HTH
John
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Reply By: Bilbo - Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 00:56
Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 00:56
Newbie,
I had a similar prob with my GQ - I'm assuming here that the door is difficult to close due to the "stop latch" that keeps it open on a windy day and not the actual closing latch/lock part. If so, try spraying it with WD40 or something similar and immediately apply dry graphite powder. The spray will help ease the stiffness and will also help the graphite get to where it do most good.
Spray first BEFORE applying the graphite powder otherwise the spray will wash the powder off.
If it's the door latch, then you might need new hinges. My old Ford Mav used to play up like this and no amount of ginning around with the striker plate would fix it. Basically the hinge pins were stuffed. I never did fix 'em. I just took steroids like you ;)
Bilbo
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Follow Up By: 4wdNewbie - Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 13:37
Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 13:37
Yea if I had to take a guess at what it was (as i know know nothin on the constuction of 4wd doors) the stop latch. It looks like wat it gets stuck on is something that is meant to stop the door closing, which threw me a little but i guess it makes sense it be there. My question is where do i get dry graphite powder from?
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 07:36
Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 07:36
Sometimes on the gq's the hinge pins started to bend and even tear the A pillar where they are welded on. My cousin who had a few for work used to take them down to the panel beater and get them repaired at least once a year, they were using it off road a lot and climbing in and out with wet weather gear on and using the door for support especially in steep country.
In an extreme case I remember looking at his one time and the forward end of the door was 10mm proud of the front guard, the wind was coming in between the a pillar and the door when you driove it!
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 08:23
Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 08:23
Over 15,000 drivers have done a 4WD training course with Great Divide Tours in the last 16 years
Nationally Recognised program with the senior instructors hold qualifications to Certificate IV level in Workplace Assessment & Training.
We have our own private property located just outside
Braidwood in the southern highlands NSW.
For further information www.4wd.net.au
Wayne
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 09:43
Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 09:43
G'day Wayne,
As one of those 15,000 clients, I can attest to the virtues of doing this course with Vic and his band of merry men. Thsi will be a one weekend course and give you a very quick rise from novice to being a confident off-road driver.
However, if you want to learn over a longer period of time and possibly to a greater depth of understanding, then the accredited Clubs' training sessions are highly recommended. In these, the training goes into more depth in things such as theory.........an example might be the relative merits and pitfalls of attaching recovery hooks to various parts of your vehicle. The Club trainers also spend more time (spread over a longer period)........... so you might go a weekend trip to a "sandy" spot and just spend the whole weekend doing sand driving, for example. The following month they might do a mud driving course for the weekend and an another might be spent on
water crossings etc etc. Steep uphill/downhill/cross-slope training with associated stall recovery; use of lockers etc.
Either way, it's all good and you'll be much better off for having done some training through either system.
Cheers
Roachie
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Reply By: Froilan - Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 08:50
Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 08:50
did the basic course with getabout 4wd training in the
lithgow area. good bunch of people and very family oriented. i'm looking at doing the advanced training (hopefully) soon.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 09:14
Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 09:14
Re training, no matter what you do, you will start off on the steep part of the learning curve, and you will learn a lot in no time.
But if you want to maintain those skills, and learn a heap more, you really need to be out there doing stuff, and learning off others. Thats where a 4wd club wins out - do the trips, do the training, chat to the people and enjoy.....and stay out of the politics :-)))
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Reply By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 09:28
Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 09:28
When we bought our GQ nearly 4 years ago, joining a club was as far from my mind as it could get.
Now, our entire social life revolves around our club calendar!
As stated above, some (most?) clubs include
driver training in the
membership fee, but the best thing is the chance to hone new skills with other new members who usually are at the same level as each other, so everyone learns together! We have made many new friends, and been to many new
places since joining, and we are always with others who enjoy it like we do!
Cheers
Brian
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Reply By: sdr00y - Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 09:28
Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 09:28
I have had 3 experiences in training courses in
Sydney. All with the same company. I did a basic course in 1996, advanced course in 1998 and more recently 2006 my wife did the basic course. Very professional, family orientated and experienced trainers.
I used getabout 4 wd
visit their web site for what they offer
www.getabout.com.au/
cheers
sdr00y
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Reply By: 4wdNewbie - Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 13:41
Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 13:41
Thanks for all the replies guys! Hope you crissy bashes were all triumphs. Im looking at clubs in
Sydney now, from what i gather from the posts, it is better to join a club and do the training through them then do it independantly. And as for the doors, prolly cheaper to get new hinges than go on steriods! I think ill try the graphite powder and wd40 and see how we go.
Cheers, Anand.
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 13:47
Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 13:47
yep I have done three courses beginner and 2 advanced courses, learnt a heap, mostly what my vehicle can do and what I cant do.
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Reply By: Dave from P7OFFROAD Accredited Driver Training - Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 22:04
Tuesday, Dec 26, 2006 at 22:04
Yep, courses are a good thing ;-)
(so are clubs! I'm in two of them)
cheers
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Reply By: 666toy - Wednesday, Dec 27, 2006 at 02:09
Wednesday, Dec 27, 2006 at 02:09
The courses are good if your not used to this kind of thing .However i went on one recently thinking it might make me a better off roader but it was all a waist of money for me. The instructor was going over stuff i had been doing for years.( i have grown up in the scrub on a very large sheep station & been roo shooting & pig chasing ever since i got behind the wheel. So i have put myself in some very ordinary
places over the years & had to work out how to extract myself because i got stuck. Now if i had done one of these courses when i was 15 (i dont think they were around then ) it could have saved me a lot of sweat & swearing) . Do a course by all means it is not a waste of money for a newby .Just one thing on courses find a reputable group & do not tolerate a Drill instructor attitude. If they cannot be bothered to show you how do a particular manouver a couple of times or more if needed they have failed to give you what you are paying hard earned money for.
Great divide tourers seems really good value to a few people i know who have been with them. .......
As for your door i believe your hinges are at fault my mq played up the same way .
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