Mt Separation rock closure. Forrest Vandalism.
Submitted: Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007 at 20:05
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Crackles
Following on from Post ID: 46597 I had a phone call from the
Forrest Management Officer for the Strathbogie Ranges (DSE) reguarding the closure of access onto the popular Mt Separation rock & subsequant demolision of the track including the falling of numerous trees to make a barrier.
The key reasons given were that the
granite rock was not a defined track therefore anyone driving on it was breaking the law by going "Offroad". Damage to
the rock & habitat was another main concern. Following accidents on the steep
rock face it was seen as a Public hazard/safety issue & access closed initially by a barrier &
sign, followed by heavy cables & trees felled. After these were illeagally removed the recent closure took place with authorization from the
Melbourne office. The severe bulldozer work with many trees being uprooted to form the barrier is seen by DSE as a last resort & the only permanent way to close off access as gates & earth mounds have failed to deter in the past. After the initial work has settled, DSE's intention is to reseed the area with trees & minimise weeds followed by the installation of a walking track &
signage.
He said that in the Benalla region alone in the past two weeks over $30,000 of damage has been caused to
camp grounds, tracks,
signage, seasonal barriers &
toilets & as their annual mantenance budget was only $15,000 had little if any way of repairing it this year. End result is they will close these area's if they are unsafe.
He went on to say that the stakes have now risen to the point where anyone going into the bush with intent to cause this type of damage will be persued to the full extent of the law. A court case from the Strathbogie
Forrest area is currently pending after 4 wheel drivers were found cutting open a road closure barrier by hidden cameras.
Talk about shooting ourselves in the foot, if Victorian 4wheel drivers dont stop wrecking the bush it will end up looking like NSW.
Craig..........
Reply By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007 at 20:29
Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007 at 20:29
Hi Craig
I have a number of pictures taken at various family picnics up there spanning maybe 10 years.
They show a history of no damage and no rubbish.
There has also a move by locals who have units for rent etc nearby and who have been campaigning in the general direction of making it a more exclusive preserve.
I have seen no evidence of actions by people doing any vandalizm either.
There have been clearly people driving around up there which they consider fine , and without damage (it is a rock) but which others object to.
It would seem to me based on these inputs that an artifical problem has been created , a descision then made to put barriers up without consultation , some people removing these barriers and this used as a reason to essentially destroy the immediate track area.
The whole thing could have been left alone and almost everyone would have been better off.
If anyone can dispute the statements above please do !
Robin Miller
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007 at 21:09
Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007 at 21:09
I suppose one question is should 4x4s & moterbikes have been driving on
the rock in the first place seeing it's not a track? What was once seen as acceptable is now no longer seen as being sustainable particually with the large number of visters. I do agree that the trigger to close the area would most likely have been local eco accomodation
shacks annoyed at the loud motorbikes. Even though it is just a rock the damage can be seen from 5 kilometers away on the west side.
To be clear the recent $30K Vanadism mentioned was in other nearby areas not on Mt Separation.
The lack of consultation I see is a major concern as a fairer outcome for all could have been acheived.
Cheers Craig...........
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007 at 21:57
Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007 at 21:57
Don't argue with "The Authorities" Robin, they know what's best for us.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Jun 21, 2007 at 11:12
Thursday, Jun 21, 2007 at 11:12
Perhaps we Victorians should be grateful Mike.
After all , a worlds biggest DeSal plant will leave one more forest alone , and be an inevitable step along to path towards our first Nuclear power station !
Robin Miller
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007 at 21:32
Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007 at 21:32
"He went on to say that the stakes have now risen to the point where anyone going into the bush with intent to cause this type of damage will be persued to the full extent of the law. A court case from the Strathbogie
Forrest area is currently pending after 4 wheel drivers were found cutting open a road closure barrier by hidden cameras. "
Good ! I hope they throw the book at the idiots.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Jun 21, 2007 at 08:31
Thursday, Jun 21, 2007 at 08:31
I hope they also catch the idiots who vandalize trains and slash the seats Gramps.
I am however glad DRNE don't manage the trains , as it appears there solution would be to bulldoze the trains off the tracks and weld the doors shut to persevre the interior enviroment.
Robin Miller
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Jun 21, 2007 at 16:01
Thursday, Jun 21, 2007 at 16:01
What would you have them do, Robin?
ps I have no love for NPWS, DNRE, DSE, or whatever either.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Jun 21, 2007 at 20:11
Thursday, Jun 21, 2007 at 20:11
Hi Gramps
A very easy question
At great effort the Vic clubs worked out a memorandum of understanding with
DNRE etc . This involved consultation.
I simply want the DNRE to honor the agreement.
Robin Miller
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Friday, Jun 22, 2007 at 11:04
Friday, Jun 22, 2007 at 11:04
You've hit the nail on the head Robin. Consultation prior to closing off public access as per the agreement is a key to working out a compromise. The excuse for Separation was seeing that it was not officially a track they didn't need to consult anyone but I think 30 years of continuous use by
recreation drivers & riders deserves some kind of discussion.
Cheers Craig..........
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Reply By: allanmac856 - Thursday, Jun 21, 2007 at 18:06
Thursday, Jun 21, 2007 at 18:06
Becoming a common occurence these days isnt it.
An increasing number of 4wders & motorbike riders not giving a rats driving/riding wherever they want. Problem is, everyone wants to blame DRE/Parks & the greenies. When are we as 4wders going to take some responsibility for our stupidity & irresponsible behaviour?. BTW, am sick of the excuse, "It is a minority group" as trhis so called minority group is getting bigger & bigger.
As Gramps said, "What do you expect them to do?. They put in signs & dirt moulds, but to no avail as idiots dont get the message. TBH, dont blame them for saying enough is enough & rest assured this will continue to happen in other areas around the state. Anyone get/read 'Trackwatch'. Paragraph relating to impatient 4wders driving closed tracks in the High Country whilst so many people have been working their butts off to clean up the place after the fires.
As a 4wder, I'm saddened to say that the new generation of 4wders have no regard for anyone/anything as the increase of damage to gates/facilities etc etc has increased in the last few years. Harsh maybe, but unless the attitude changes, we will not have anywhere to drive sooner rather than later. Unfortunately some 4wd forums dont help matters as many post congratulate those who take it to the extreme; ie getting stuck in bog holes etc etc & those who do question the behaviour get shot down in flames.
Ah
well, some will bury their heads in the sand & blame everyone else, as usual
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Follow Up By: Paps - Thursday, Jun 21, 2007 at 21:01
Thursday, Jun 21, 2007 at 21:01
It is a sad state of affairs isn't it. I believe it comes from 4wding being the interest rather than using one to get
places. I have been going to the Little Desert in Victoria since the mid sixties and in the last five years the damage to the place from 4wd's is very apparent. And I'm not talking about traffic usage to tracks, I'm about things like breaking through barriers and doing donuts on salt lakes and swamp areas. I feel sorry for the NPWS and DSE because they really are the meat in the sandwich. They probably are a bit more green than recreational in the first place and so chose their profession and believe their is to
care for the environment for the future whilst managing use without abuse. The simple amount of recreational 4wding going on now simply means as someone said, the minority is making it's presence felt. And I imagine their lack of budget and lipservice by the government must frustrate the s*#t out of them. Paps.
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