Short trip away, thanks for the help from the Jeep Commander driver (NOT)

Submitted: Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 14:23
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Been on a whistle stop tour of the Pilbara, met a couple of EO drivers plus saw a couple of EO stickers on vehicles out and about.
Karijini was a spectacle, Tom Price was better than I expected, Mt Augustus was hotter than expected, Coral Bay was a bit crowded after Karijini as you would expect during the school holidays, we'll be going back there, lots to do and see.
Main mechanical issue was the N/S wheel falling off my camper trailer, all the wheel nuts worked loose and fell off, closely followed by the wheel. Daughter retrieved the wheel from the bush and I used three wheel nuts from the other side to get me safely to Tom Price to effect repairs. One thing I found out was despite the axel on the camper trailer having the same wheels as my Nissan and the same PCD the stud diameter was different so the spare wheel nuts I carry in the vehicle for such an occasion were useless.
Stopping and seeing my wheel bouncing off into the bush engulfed in puffs of red dust has got to be the funniest things I have seen in years, understand this obviously is serious, the situation at the time and my wife's comments just sent us all into fits of laughter. Me looking out of the window thinking "that can't be my wheel".
My daughter retrieved the wheel and also luckily found the grease cap which had also fallen off a way up the track. We hadn't seen one vehicle all day up to this point, we were about 10 klms past the Ashburton Downs homestead between Mt Augustus and Tom Price when the incident happened.
Whilst my daughter was pushing the wheel back through the bush and the trailer was leaning at a rather strange angle a fairly new Jeep Commander passed us, didn't even bother to stop and ask how we were going, I didn't get the rego or I would of posted than on here to. "every dog has his day", I hope yours comes soon mate and I hope I'm driving past. Being the person I am I will still more than likely stop and offer assistance.
Two days later I check the wheel nuts and found again this axel on the trailer had loose nuts, not sure what's going on here, I suspect it's to do with wheel rotation and vibration etc etc.
Lots of tyre damage luckily only two punctures, the shires are repairing the roads with some pretty sharp rocks at the moment, lots of people changing tyres on the roads.
Weather was great, a bit warm in spots but hey what a trip. Just thought I would let you know about my little adventure.
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Reply By: furph - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 14:44

Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 14:44
Sounds like an interesting little interlude!
Something that comes immediately to mind is
1/ Check the taper between the nuts and the wheel. If the taper on the nuts is different to the ones on the wheel loosening not can, but does happen.
2/ Check that the wheel to hub contact is being correctly made. If the wheel is not being seated against the hub where it should then flexure in the wheel will loose or break studs.

I know what you mean about the "samaritans" out there. In May this year coming back down the Cape Levique road I had a flat to the DS rear on the L/C trayback pulling the van.
That is a fairly rough, narrow road so I pulled off onto the wrong side so that I was not bum out to any traffic either way.
Whilst I changed the wheel, 8 vehicles went past, the only one which did stop was a European couple in a hired vehicle, I did not require help, but they at least showed the courtesy.
cheers furph

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Reply By: Beemer - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 15:20

Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 15:20
Interesting story, glad you had a good ending. We are putting the Pilbara on the next things to see list. Sounds like a fantastic area.
These people who cannot spare a minute to even ask if you are ok are a joke. We stopped last year in the Kimberley many times to help people, one time a elderly couple in a Land Rover with a tray top camper had a flat. We helped and the elderley guy who was doing ok was certainly grateful. It was 35 c and he had to dig under the wheel to be able to get the tyre off as his jack did not get the height. He had been their three hours and no one except us had stopped to assist.
What has happended to the "need a hand mate" This coutnry was built on mateship, looks like that may be just history for some. Are people in to much of a hurry.

Glad you event did end well.
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Follow Up By: Dave B (NSW) - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 17:15

Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 17:15
' It was 35 c and he had to dig under the wheel to be able to get the tyre off as his jack did not get the height.'

Not too sure how many people do this, but it makes life easier.

Most CT and caravan owners carry levelling blocks to set for sleeping.

When you have a puncture, run the flat tyre up onto your levelling blocks and it's a lot easier to get the jack under and you don't have to wind the jack as much either.
That way you rarely have a problem getting the height you want.

Do it with the car as well if you have the blocks with you.
I always carry a few pieces of old pallet boards with me.

Dave
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Follow Up By: Member - Phillip S (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 00:25

Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 00:25
Great idea ,Dave, some time back I stopped to help a family replace a flat on their 4wd van(people mover)....needed two jacks, one to lift the body and one to lift the suspension...ground too hard to dig...never thought of using blocks to drive it up on...I will carry some in future...cheers Phil
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 17:07

Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 17:07
Hi Martyn,

Glad you had a great trip (minor mechanical issues aside). I was up at Ningaloo, Millstream, Tom Price and Karijini only a few months ago and your trip report certainly bought the memories back.

Pity to see the metropolitan attitude of not helping when on the side of the road is now heading bush!

Cheers

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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 17:31

Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 17:31
Gday,
Had a similar thing happen going down to Finke one time.
Only difference was we were doing about 100kms (yes I know do-gooders) and it was the front wheel off my Toyota!
Laugh....we nearly bleep !!!

Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Terry G (NSW) - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 17:43

Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 17:43
The guy in the jeep was probably concerned that if he stopped he might use up the rest of his 77 litres of fuel feeding that v8 to kick it over again.I think their range is about 350k's.

tessa
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Follow Up By: Member - Phillip S (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 00:26

Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 00:26
lol....:)
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Reply By: David A A - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 23:27

Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 23:27
Hi Martyn
Glad the trip ended safely, it's a magic trip through that area.
Can I ask what breed trailer and how old?
I have a new trailer on order and would hate to hear mine is the same breed!!!!!
David
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Follow Up By: Martyn (WA) - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 23:38

Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 23:38
David,
Kimberley Kamper Kakadu, 2000 of origin. I don't blame the camper trailer, the roads were rough to say the least. Considering the punishment and the result I have even more admiration for this make of Camper trailer. I think maybe I should of checked the wheel nuts more often, I certainly will in future. I would more than likely buy another Kimberley, and more than likely will. I wouldn't not purchase this brand of camper on my one experience.
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Reply By: renth - Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 11:02

Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 11:02
Glad you had a good trip.

We must have crossed paths a few times as my boy and I were up that way the same time as you. We went to the Kennedy Ranges, Mount Augustus, Karijini then back to Perth.

You weren't that family who climbed Mount Augustus the same morning we did were you?

I certainly would have stopped had I seen you. At least you were after Ashburton Downs. Had you broken down before, on the Dooley Downs Road you might not have seen anyone for days, good job you could get it sorted.

I was apprehensive about this stretch but my Paj was well prepared with lots of spares and a satphone has the sh*t hit the fan.

One of my brand new Bridgestone D694s shredded on the dirt road outside Tom Price and the first car, a Falcon full of (fellow) Pommie backpackers stopped to help, which I thanked them for. Good job I had 2 spares otherwise I would have had to have spent the next morning waiting to get a new tyre in Tom Price.

The low point of the trip was encountering an organised tour group at Karijini. They were well past the "Class 6" marker in a gorge, meaning they needed to have all the appropriate abseiling gear and training, they didn't and one of their group climbed half way up the gorge wall and chucked a rock in to Kermit's Pool, just missing my boy who was swimming.

I went mad and when I got back to the car used my trusty satphone to call the rangers, who were also upset to hear what they had been up to.
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Follow Up By: Martyn (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 21:38

Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 21:38
Renth,
I sympathise with you re the "inappropriate" behaviour of others. We only swam in the falls and fern pool, magnificent was a word that came to mind. We only viewed other gorges and got some good pictures. Found it quite hard to get to sleep in the silence of Dales gorge, the wild life was very active around the camp site.
We didn't climb the rock we arrived to late in the day and I had to help Fin effect tyre repairs, seemed a bit unfair to leave him to it when my other activity would of been drinking cool ones. Sad as it may seem.
I suspect that 99% of other people would of stopped and asked if nothing else, I just happened to get the 1% who "didn't want to get involved". Yes I was glad I had all the right gear but the stud size caught me out, you just never know do you. Concern always goes out for your family in any of these type of situation, hopefully I'll meet you out and about.
Thanks for the reply, I'm a fellow pome as well, well I was eighteen years ago, I'm now a naturalised Ozzy. catch you around.
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