Boating in the Kimberley?

Submitted: Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 17:22
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We are planning a trip next year to the Kimberley (Gibb RR and tracks off that) and the Pilbara. Could experienced travellers to these areas please advise if there is any sense in taking an inflatable boat (plus electric outboard). Wouldnt want to use it in saltie areas, but what about more inland waters, gorges etc?

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Reply By: Russ n Sue - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 17:36

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 17:36
From Broome northward, any inland waters that are still tidally influenced will be too difficult for an electric outboard and subject to inhabitation by crocs.

Further inland than that you will come across expanses of water that are navigable and free of crocs, but they aren't overly large...Geikie Gorge comes to mind.

In the Pilbara, tides are quite large, 6.5 metres at Dampier for instance, and the currents can be quite strong. Most Pilbara rivers are tidal but are navigable if you pick the right time of the tide to do your motoring. Choppy seas can be whipped up by tidal currents when going offshore, so be very careful.

Recently we were at Derby and when talking to a knowledgeable local we were given this rule of thumb...Pilbara waters require 8 Hp or larger, Kimberley waters require 15 Hp or larger.

I lived in the Pilbara for nine years and during my time there, there were a lot of boating mishaps. Take care.

Cheers

Russ.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:55

Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:55
Russ

I am interested to note that Geiki Gorge is free of crocs. I have some photos of mid sized Freshies in Geiki Gorge taken in 1982. Maybe they have been removed by Parks and Wildlife?
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Follow Up By: Kevndeb - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 08:38

Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 08:38
Crocs have been seen as far south as Karratha....but it is exception rather than the norm.

Debbie
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Follow Up By: Russ n Sue - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 08:41

Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 08:41
Hi Willem.

Let's put it this way, the crocs at Geikie Gorge won't bother you if you don't bother them. They are not estuarine crocs or "salties".Cheers

Russ.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 13:59

Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 13:59
Hahaha Russ

Err..... yes you stated free of crocs, but not really, eh?

Methinks you may be in for a big surprise. I wouldn't mess with a Freshie. Them buggers have sharp teeth and have been known to bite on occasions

Cheers

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Reply By: Member - Mainey (wa) - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 17:49

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 17:49
Val,
Admit up front I don't have a boat at the moment, but I don't believe an inflatable would do it for me.

Remember crocks may be in some inland waters as well as in salt water too, just cause you can't see em doesn't mean they are not there.

I run over one laying just underwater in the centre of the Mary River (NT) when I was fishing (running full tilt, on the way up stream looking for Barra) in an alloy boat with a 15hp motor in winter 2006, it was an experience I will remember for a while, felt like hitting a log.

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Reply By: Member - John and Val W (ACT) - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 18:24

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 18:24
Thanks Mainey and Russ. Im really thinking about inland waters, above the waterfalls which at least in theory should be away from salties. Not tidal or offshore waters. Are there such places where a small boat might be safely used to advantage?

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Follow Up By: Oldsquizzy (Kununurra) - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 23:14

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 23:14
Lake Kununurra, Lake Argyle, 56klms of the ord river above the diversion dam through gorges and wetlands
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Follow Up By: Blaze - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 00:34

Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 00:34
I agree with Oldsquizzy,

Just add Geikie Gorge to the list, the other safe area's are basically to small to bother with.
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Reply By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 00:44

Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 00:44
Estuarine crocs love fresh water, they have been found 350/400 km inland, across the Top End at ground level and on top of the escarpment regions.

I have lived and travelled the Top End extensively most of my life, you would not find me in anything smaller than a 3.7 mtr dingy and min 15 hp motor.

Have a safe trip and enjoy the Top End.

Cheers Steve.
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Reply By: Willem - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:51

Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:51
John and Val

Once upon a time, a long time ago, I took an 8 foot punt with 2 horse motor on to the Mary River by the bridge on the Arnhem Hwy, NT. This was in the days just after Croc Culling was stopped. The crocs then were still wary of humans and kept their distance but by the time I had counted twenty of them lying on the banks of the river I made for the ramp and got the hell out of there. As Steve says.... you wouldn't want to risk it in anything under a 3.7metre tinnie and 15hp motor.

These days the crocs have regained their confidence and they are likely to take an interest in a small boat. Because of increased numbers of crocs some do tend to go inland at the height of the wet season for hundreds of kilometres.

The only way to tell if there are no salties in the water is to see if there are freshies around(crocodylus johnstonii= Johnston River Crocodile). The two species do not live together.

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Follow Up By: Geoff M (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 09:55

Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 09:55
Willem
Have to disagree with you here mate.

I've been going to Lakefield NP for a few years now Barra fishing and regularly see freshies and salties together in the same billabongs. (And yes, I do know the differences)

Later,
Geoff
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Follow Up By: tdv - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 10:19

Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 10:19
Yep. That rule isn't valid. I have a photo of a freshie and saltie sunbaking about 1 m apart. Also have a photo of a freshie on a mud bar at the mouth of a river.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mainey (wa) - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 11:12

Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 11:12
Willem, just a few Klms south of that bridge is where I slammed into the big Saltie, this side of the large sandbar on the left side of the river, just past the Mary River Caravan Park riverbank launching area, it was their boat engine that I had been working on and was using as 'payment' for same.

Plenty of crocks seen in the area, unfortunately did not see any Barra, grr.

(G'day John, how's the horses)

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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 11:34

Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 11:34
The estimated # of crocs above the 26th parallel in Willems day ways 1000 +, Today there is 10,000 (no typo) in Kakadu alone.

Shady Camp on the Mary river has the Highest density of estuarine crocs any were on the planet.

I also no the # of estuarine crocs has risen in the Kimberley.

Hey Willem as kids (back in the mid 70s) we used to jump or get pushed off the Mary River Bridge on the Arnhem Hwy, not any more.

Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 14:09

Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 14:09
Maybe your freshies and salties have learned to tolerate one another. My observations are different.

I'm not saying it isn't possible just that my rule of thumb is that freshsies and salties don't mix and that is the principle we used when swimming in unchartered clear waters in the Top End up to 20 years ago.

Maybe we were just plain lucky. Who knows?

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 14:51

Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 14:51
I to use the same logic as Willem.

Having said that I have seen Estuarine (Salty one of the same, re above post.)and Freshies in the same area or side by side.

I have also seen the same 2 crocs estuarine chase the freshy, this took place at Corroboree Billabong, Mary River, yet I wouldn't swim there.

How ever there are freshies at many water falls in Kakadu that I would swim at, But once the warm water moves as the water system rise with rain it is now not recommended to swim or enter these places as the breeding cycle of an estuarine croc is triggered by moving warm water.

Estuarine crocs and freshies can co exist with large a food source, The Mary River has such a food source, It is possible but not likely that an estuarine croc would be found if a freshie was about in the water holes at the base of these water falls.

Just to clarify An Estuarine Crocodile ( Crocodilus Parossus) Aka Salty are one of the same, I use the term Estuarine Croc out of habit as people I take on tour are mostly of a non English speaking back ground.

We found a family from Switzerland once swimming in Home Billabong behind Cooinda, they had tasted the water and assumed that because it was fresh water it was safe from SALT WATER ( Estuarine) crocs.

Cheers Steve. who loves these big Gecoes.
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Follow Up By: Member - Oppikofer L (Int) - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 17:40

Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 17:40
ohhh,... these ignorant Swiss!!!!

cheers - lukas

PS: am Swiss too, but luckily i know the difference between a Freshy and a Salty
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Follow Up By: Member - Mainey (wa) - Saturday, Dec 08, 2007 at 20:03

Saturday, Dec 08, 2007 at 20:03
Steve, the picture of the 'bait' fish in my Members rig area is taken at Shady Camp.
Stayed there in the fenced off camping area a few nights, as you would know it's only fenced off to keep the crocks out, it's the only fence for miles lol.

On the first night there we were going to go fishing from the barrage only to see 60+ red eyes looking at us, in the spot light.
They would only be the ones looking our way and we would not be able to see those looking away from us.
We went home with all limbs attached and the adrenalin rush of the night time experience.



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Reply By: Member - Chris R (NSW) - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 09:23

Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 09:23
I envied people who had inflatable and electric motor on the Oakover River at Carawine Gorge in Pilbara. Oakover has other sections that would be OK if you simply wanted to do the boating thing on small stretches.

Long way to lug extra gear though.

Kimberley - not sure. The King Edward River Xing area on the Mitchell Plateau is 'said to be croc free' and offers short stretch of good water. Don't know how seasonal this is. I was there when road opened after the wet - broad stretch of deep flowing water.

Really scratching around for safe stretches of reliable water up there.

Cheers Chris
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Reply By: Member - John and Val W (ACT) - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 17:32

Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 17:32
Thanks for all your responses. I think the boat will stay at home this trip.

Val.
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Follow Up By: Steve - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 18:09

Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 18:09
Don't blame you mate. I've followed this thread with interest as I'll be up there fairly soon.

Think I'll give it a miss too. Plenty of other opportunities
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