Hiclones are they as good as the ad say

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Thinking off putting hiclones on the power side of my 95 hilux. The add say it will increase the power and fuel consumption. Has anyone tried these.
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Reply By: Brew69(SA) - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 19:43

Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 19:43
Do a search on here and spend the next 10 days reading.
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 19:45

Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 19:45
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

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Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 19:56
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Reply By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 19:50

Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 19:50
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AnswerID: 285119 Submitted: Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 13:07
SteveL replied:
Search the archives ,there is plenty there.
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AnswerID: 285120 Submitted: Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 13:08
Hairy (NT) replied:
Gday,
I hope you have thick skin because I reckon your about to be crucified.
Everone has different veiws on them. I have a mate who swears by them and another who says they are crap.

Do a search and make your own mind up.

Good Luck
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FollowupID: 549912 Submitted: Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 13:16
Andrea11 posted:
Hi all,

We don't have one but this morning we were at TJM Gold Coast and I saw a pamphlet on the Hiclone, and I thought Mnn might be a good thing. I just wanted to run it by everyone here and try to get a general Consensus about the hiclone.

Thanks
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AnswerID: 285121 Submitted: Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 13:11
Steve from Top End Explorer Tours replied:
When you buy a Hyclone you get a free windscreen sticker with it that say SUCKER.


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FollowupID: 549911 Submitted: Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 13:15
Member - Doug T (FNQ) posted:
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Top marks that...he he he he I agree

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FollowupID: 549989 Submitted: Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 18:20
Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) posted:
Hi can I have your views and opinions on fitting a hyclone?


No!!

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AnswerID: 285122 Submitted: Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 13:15
Axel [ the real one ] replied:
While your at it ,, go for a fitch as well , your vehicle will then run for 1000klm for $2.00 worth of fuel ,,, LOL.
Opinions are like "bleep" ,everyone has 1 , mine works.
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FollowupID: 549913 Submitted: Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 13:19
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Speaking of Futch's we have not seen Bill s for awhile.
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FollowupID: 549961 Submitted: Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 16:14
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FollowupID: 549964 Submitted: Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 16:22
Member - John (Vic) posted:
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FollowupID: 549992 Submitted: Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 18:30
Member - Willie , Sydney. posted:
Well cop this .

John T posted the contact details ( phone no. etc ) for the EO meeting at West Kunderang a couple of weeks ago . That night I rang the lady to ask her if I could get my van in there . She was a bit stressed out by EO people , as she had just had one of them ring her and try to sell her a fuel saving device YOU GUESSED IT ...... A FUTCH !

What a creepy thing to do . She certainly did not appreciate it .

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FollowupID: 549996 Submitted: Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 18:38
Member - John (Vic) posted:
Willie thats unreal, is there no stopping the bloke?
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AnswerID: 285133 Submitted: Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 14:44
Member - Willie , Sydney. replied:
Hi Andrea ,

If you need an idea if they work or not , try and find a single positive report from an automotive watchdog like the NRMA or RAC .

Also , ask yourself , why wouldn't all the car manufacturers put them on their cars as standard . Low fuel consumption is a huge selling feature on a new car .

When things sound to good to be true , they usually are .

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FollowupID: 549977 Submitted: Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 17:57
Hairy (NT) posted:
Gday Willie,
A few car manufacturers do fit them from standard and have done for a lot of years.
Im not for or against...Ive never tried one.

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FollowupID: 549990 Submitted: Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 18:23
Member - Willie , Sydney. posted:
I heard of one US company that did it for a while and then stopped - probably because of ridicule . Which other companies are there Hairy?
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FollowupID: 549991 Submitted: Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 18:29
Mainey (wa) posted:
Mercedes Benz use a system very very similar to them
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AnswerID: 285249 Submitted: Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 07:41
Member - andrew B (Kununurra) replied:
Surely someone out there with access to a Dyno could answer this very quickly. No change in output = no improvement in economy or performance.....

I seem to remember the Hyclone website having Dyno results, but they could be fudged/do the with reading early in the morning when the air is cold and more dense (shold be careful with that last word), and with out the hyclone in the heat of the day......everyone is capeable of selective statistics.

When I fitted the lpg it was easy, run it with the switch on, then with it off, there is your two graphs in as close to identical conditions as you will probably get.

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AnswerID: 285262 Submitted: Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 09:29
Member - Tour Boy (springsure replied:
Mate, Facing ridicule here but I have had one for 11 years and I swap it into every vehicle I have.
Although it works better in naturally aspirated diesels that petrols such as hilux up to 2.8lt and early 1HZ.
From the time we put one in a bj73 with the 3B motor it became smoother and the mirrors stopped vibrating at idle.

There isn't a noticeable decrease in fuel consumption but I don't usually worry too much about that (wouldn't own a big vehicle if I did) but there is a noticeable improvement in smoothness and smoke when cold.

This isn't heresay only what I have observed.

Keep it ...sure.

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AnswerID: 285273 Submitted: Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 09:57
RovingOz (QLD) replied:
HYCLONE FOR MEN.

Us blokes will try anything if it means more power but this is the same as marketing anti-ageing or cellulite cream to women. They don't care that it doesn't work for everybody else it may just work for them.

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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 20:04

Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 20:04
That didn't work that well try this.

Hyclone thread

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Follow Up By: Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 20:56

Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 20:56
Heh Steve mate!!

Run on down to da automowbeel store will ya an pick me up one of them thar hycloonie thingies like all dem suckers all get for their motor cars and while ya at it grab a case of them thar 4X tins of ale as well so's we can havva beer just in case the thing don't works like they says it will..!!!

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (FNQ) - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 21:12

Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 21:12
Hey Dawg ..ye better make um 2 cartoons coz I'm gunna roll oop 2 ,
Yah rekon this engin mite need a Hic...Hiclloon

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Reply By: Leroy - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 20:27

Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 20:27
I couldn't believe I saw them advertised on TV the other night. They must sell a few..........suckers!!

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Reply By: Andrea11 - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 20:34

Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 20:34
I posted the same question a week or so ago and the responces were very loud and clear! most said that Hiclones were nothing more than a waste of money, while the few said that they felt they worked.......So in the end I went with the Majority.

Andrea
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Reply By: Member - Stephen F (VIC) - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 21:10

Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 21:10
Well I'll let you all in on little secret just fill your tyres with helium. And reduce the weight of your vehicle, benefits include better mileage, less ware and tear on tyres. ;>))

Regards......Stephen
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Follow Up By: troopyman - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 22:06

Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 22:06
I tried that , it really works .
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Follow Up By: Geepeem - Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 08:06

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 08:06
Yes helium is great in the Lexus tyres but are you saying try it in the 4X4 tyres?
Cheers,
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Wednesday, Feb 13, 2008 at 18:25

Wednesday, Feb 13, 2008 at 18:25
If you put bigger springs in the back of your car you get better fuel ecconomy because you are always going down hill!
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Reply By: Star Bug - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 22:56

Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 22:56
Read here.
http://www.fuelsaving.info/turbulence.htm

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Reply By: Louie the fly - Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 08:07

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 08:07
Bet you're glad you asked... I nearly bought one for my GQ years ago. Couldn't bear to part with my hard earned cash. If they could improve performance I would put a dozen in my 2.8 4runner. It needs em!
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 16:06

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 16:06
In a nutshell they are a waste of money, like always you will get the best result by doing the following:

1. Insuring your vehicle is in a good state of tune
2. Insuring your tyre pressures are correct
3. Insuring your Air Cleaner is clean

After that if you want more performance buy a later model Hilux.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 16:11

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 16:11
Scientific reply : (fact) - Answer= No Waste of Money, could make it worse..!

Quote as per below article:

But let's ignore all that for a moment and imagine that adding more turbulence does help fuel economy. Can a "bolt-on" device really increase the turbulence in the cylinder? The simple answer is no - the flow in the intake system is already highly turbulent at part load, with air speed past the throttle in the region of 200-300 metres/second. A device upstream of the throttle may make the air swirl there, but the swirl pattern will be destroyed as the flow squeezes past the throttle blade. Injection of "a small amount of turbulent air" into the inlet manifold, as some devices claim, will have even less effect. It is interesting that the makers of such devices state with confidence that the device increases turbulence, but do not have any direct measurements of turbulence to show that this actually is the case. How, then, do they know?

But don't just take my word for it - there have been many studies, both direct flow visualisation and computer simulations, showing turbulence in the intake system. For example, Rai Alsemgeest at Warwick University did a study of intake manifold flow for Jaguar; see his presentation for full details. Here's his animation showing a section through the intake manifold, where different colours represent different air speeds - red being the fastest and blue the slowest. Air enters from the left of the picture; the white shape in the middle of the flow is the partially open throttle blade:
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Follow Up By: Mainey (wa) - Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 19:17

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 19:17
JUST A QUESTION - NOT A STATEMENT:-> How then do you explain the "demonstration device" as used by Hyclone that actually does show the air speed DOES increase with the Hyclone in place ??

If you have NOT seen the test device, please don't guess at an answer.

Mainey . . .
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Reply By: irish127 - Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 18:52

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 18:52
Thank you all for your input and like Andrea11 I to will go with the majority and thanks for the laughs
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Reply By: Mainey (wa) - Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 19:19

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 19:19
Why not just ask if any of the respondants have actually fitted them ?

(I know one who 'claims' he has 2 Hyclones, he will sell for 1/2 price lol)
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 19:41

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 19:41
Are you talking about me.

Take a 1Hz engine, if you put a hyclone after the air cleaner it would do exactly as it says, I would make the air spiral and increase in speed, then once the air hits the end of the manifold it would all go pear shaped, as it would not go around the 180 degree v shaped bend and then spread out through the inlet manifold spiraling as in the add, it just won't work.

As I said I don't care if I sell them or not.

Cheers Steve.
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