Is it Possible??

Submitted: Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 08:03
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We need a bit of advice.

We're in the early stages of planning a three week trip for next September school holidays. Our thoughts at the moment are this:

Melbourne/Mildura/Broken Hill/Peterborough/Flinders Ranges (Rawnsley Park and Brachina)/then up the Strezlecki to Cameron Corner/White Cliffs and down through Central NSW.

Our question is this - our friends are in a 1985 Volvo sedan. Would they be able to do the Strezlecki track in this vehicle? He's putting polyairs on the rear and decent tyres on it. We went up the Darling last September through Wilcannia to Bourke and the Volvo never missed a beat, so we're thinking we may be OK.

I've heard people say the Strezlecki is a good road, but need confirmation or otherwise.

To those who have been there and done that, what are your thoughts?

Thanks in advance
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 08:38

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 08:38
3 weeks is ok IMV, but I don't see a lot of attraction in going up the Strzelecki, and through the corner country if you don't go on to Innamincka - the Cooper has a lot to offer IMV. Any vehicle can drive up there - clearance is not an issue on the main roads, but while many sections are very smooth other sections are incredibly stony and very harsh on tyres. There are a few pics on my road surfaces page at - may be of interest.
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Follow Up By: Member - Magic (VIC) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 13:33

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 13:33
Thanks Darian,

The pics give us some idea of what we can expect. Of course, we realise alot depends on weather, but if it rains, none of us are going anywhere, let alone the Volvo.

Cheers,

J.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 09:03

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 09:03
I would have to disagree somewhat Darian.

Much of the New Strzelecki Track is constructed of rubble and there is always the odd larger rock which has been dislodged by larger vehicles such as trucks, that present potential disaster.

The Track, especially closer up toward Innamincka, is quiet "rocky" and is the main reason why a higher ground clearance, as given by most 4WD vehicles, is desirable.
4WD's also generally have guard protection to the vulnerable areas like sumps and fuel tanks and it just makes good sense to drive in this sort of vehicle.

Then there is the additional situation where you come across a wet or muddy section following rain and without 4WD, well you just don't get through. Even 4WD's get stuck at times.

I'm not saying that the Volvo won't "get through" as given ideal conditions, any 2WD vehicle could "make the trip" but in my opinion, it would be like entering a lottery.

On top of all this, any mechanical breakdown will ultimately affect the whole trip for everyone.

You may well experience a trouble free trip, but if it was me, I'd be in a vehicle built specifically for the purpose, to reduce the possibility of delay or disaster.

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Reply By: Philip A - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 09:04

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 09:04
It's all good until it rains!
While you may be able to proceed to the next town if you got caught in a cloudburst, the Volvo would become a liability .

After rain there are often long bogs and numerous detours from the main track which may not be navigable by a Volvo.

Except for the cattle grids the Darling track is smoother than the Strezlecki or Merty Merty and especially the "road" through Sturt National Park to Tibooburra.
The Strezlecki is very corrugated from the constant road trains, so much so my wife declined to drive after doing a near spin from the wet mud near a water truck.
The Merty Merty also has some long stretches of deep sand and big potholes where the clay cap has failed on sandhills..

Having said all that in the dry it should be no problem to a careful driver, but it will be hard on shocks and the car in general. I ruined a new pair of Boges on my Range Rover. I have replaced with Bilstiens which can take the pounding from corrugations.

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Reply By: Member - Paul Mac (VIC) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 09:31

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 09:31
Hi magic,

Maybe your travel companion might be interested in buying a 4 w/d. A black pajero perhaps? I know just where he might secure one for the princely sum of $18,000 and its in very good condition.

Also has a brand new set of Bridgestone D 694's all round and the electricals needed have been installed already.

I might have to give him a call.

That would solve the road problem.

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Member - Magic (VIC) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 11:37

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 11:37
Now there's a thought Paul.......

Of course, you could always come with us - then there'd be two 4WD's to pull him out.

J.
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 09:37

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 09:37
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Go for it, you'll have a great adventure, I travelled the then 2 wheel mark Oodnadatta Track 1966/67 in a 62 Holden, 1968 in a 63 Holden,1969 in an Austin 1800, the Strezlecki track is a freeway compared to where I went in the cars back then,

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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 11:23

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 11:23
Onya Doug....I still have a picture of that guy and his HQ Holden auto sedan sitting on top of Big Red....yep...got up there in a sedan with the tyre pressures lowered and that is not the only thing he has done....even GRR....when I did the GCR past three of those "wicked" vans....Who said you cannot do it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 11:37

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 11:37
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Yeh but what about this silly bugger who got bogged for 39 hours on the Oodnadatta track in 1967 about some 50Klm West of Todmorden Stn ....lol
Car was running on Goodyear G800's, Waikerie-Perth-Darwin-Oodnadatta-Waikerie, cost was abound the $270 included fuel, food, and Caravan Pks

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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 16:37

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 16:37
Talking to a couple last year in the NT in Kakadu....they , their camper and their cruiser bogged for 4 days out in the sticks.....had to improvise to extract themselves...which they did....so it does not matter what you have that counts but your tenacity and einginuity that counts.
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 16:38

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 16:38
oops...Imean ingenuity...sorry
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Reply By: Member - Paul W (VIC) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 09:38

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 09:38
Magic,

I also would not "risk" running a volvo in that type of country, there are too many variables to come across, where a 4WD can overcome most of these with ease the 'swedish block of flats' i think more than likely would struggle, corrugations,sand,bulldust pits and possibly wet/sticky patches would bring it to a standstill. not to mention large rocks doing some damage.on my last venture out that way i destroyed a shock and guard, imagine that was the volvo sump!plus i think it would be quite hard to find"suitable" tyres to fit it,LTs maybe but no better than that. this is my 20c's worth anyway. cheers Paul
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 09:46

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 09:46
Its been a long time since the Strezlecki was a track! I keep hearing rumours about it getting some bitumen soon. Maybe by September there will be a bit of black stuff to travel on.

The roads you mention are all OK in the Volvo provided it is driven to the conditions, and especially with a 4wd vehicle as backup. An extra spare tyre and tube are essential. If it rains, you'll need to stay put until it dries! And like Darian has pointed out, Innamincka is only a few hours north of Merti Merti.
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 15:59

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 15:59
Phil,

The rumours about bitumen I heard was that there is a plan to install two or three bitumised passing lanes along the track to aid safety.

A load of crap and a total waste of money methinks.

Obviously people will choose to use the bitumised sections whether they are passing someone or not, so the vehicle doing the passing may still be required to do it on the "dirt" and throw up stones, etc.

Leave it the way it is I say, it just needs commonsense when vehicles are passing, or approaching one another.

I have never experienced any problem travelling on this sort of surface. You simply give the other vehicles ample space, or slow down and move over to the left side if another vehicles intends to pass.

No big deal.

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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 21:11

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 21:11
Gday Bill,

Yeah I agree with you. But last time I travelled it was in June and there was more traffic on it than I've ever seen. All the workers for the mining and exploration and hot rocks etc etc
And they scoot along a bit faster than me usually, so I spent a fair amount of time moving over to let them pass.

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Reply By: Best Off Road - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 10:19

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 10:19
Total aside Jeannie, but more important, how's your boy?

Called your mobile last weekend but it was off, and sorry, I forgot to call again.

We hope he is well on the mend.

Best wishes,

Jim and Jenny.

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Follow Up By: Member - Magic (VIC) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 11:40

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 11:40
Thanks for your kind thoughts and good wishes Jim.

He's doing well. He's been home for about a week now, but has to go back for more surgery next week.

Too bloody independent for his own good though....."leave me Mum, I can do it!!!"

But still eating "mush" till his teeth heal.

I've been blown away by everyone's kindness - it re-affirms my faith in human nature.

Thanks to you and Jenny again.

Jeannie
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 10:24

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 10:24
Three months ago the 'track' was a 90 - 100 k road. There is a lot of work going on and I understand that several long straight bits will be sealed to provide dust / stone free stretches so that vehicles can get by pass road trains safely. Frankly, it's a bit boring (dry). I would think that worst problem would be some of the 4wd 'hoons' who insist on travelling to fast when approaching and throw stones at you as they pass.
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Reply By: Aussie.Nomad - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 11:20

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 11:20
The only problem I foresee is one of comfort. We all drove tracks like the 'lecki in Holdens, Fords and Valiants before 4WD's came along. Today I'd rather be in a fourbie, but stories about laying underneath the Volvo to re-attach the exhaust system that's rattled off will be worth a few drinks one day. 4 driving weels also help you stay in a straight line on corrugations and bulldust, you'll just need to temper your speed to suit the vehicle & track.
Besides, it'll mean one less Volvo driver intown that month ..and that can't be a bad thing!
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Reply By: ian - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 12:29

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 12:29
Magic,
People get a bit precious about their 4x4. They all want guarantees. The Nullarbor to Perth used to be tougher than the roads you mention, and people used to do it in early Holdens, Ford Prefect, etc. I have a landcruiser cos its easier, but have done thousands of outback kms in a car. Many locals use a 2 wheel drive car. Too be successful you need dry roads, strong tyres and spares, and be prepared to take your time (the hard bit). If this falls in place, no probs. If one of these occurs it will probably take you longer, and you will have better memories of adversity overcome.
Just go for it.
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Reply By: Member - Mick O (VIC) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 13:17

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 13:17
I did the same trip a few years back with my brothers in a Magna Station Wagon. I don't think the roads will pose too much of a problem but again, the later model (newer) the vehicle and condition it is in, the better. I'd check the road conditions for the Strez on the SA roads website. It gets a lot of truck traffic so can be very rough. A matter of taking it easy, having good tyres and making sure you have the top level RACV cover. $160 well spent.

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Reply By: Member - Paul Mac (VIC) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 14:41

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 14:41
Hi Jeannie,

If your talking to Dave you might mention my offer. He can have my paj and my power wheel for his camper.....lol

I'm hoping to have another 4 w/d by that time next year.

I think its a distinct possibility we will be accompanying you on that trip so we will see what happens between now and then.

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Member - Magic (VIC) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 16:23

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 16:23
Hi Paul,

I sent Dave the link to this thread so no doubt he'll read about your offer. I'm not sure if he is considering changing the Volvo - I think it's love.

J.
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 17:10

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 17:10
Should have said - a few yaars back I did see a Porsche 911 running up the Strzelecki - some wag wanting to prove something - means nothing in the grand scheme of things of course - the stone chips alone would have cost a lot to get rid of - a few years earlier than that encounter there was a Morris Minor convention up at Innamincka too - mobs of them lined up in front of the Trading Post - er... also - a few weeks back there was a Citroen 2CV (or whatever) convention of some sort up at Kununurra - saw one rattling along a particularly rough section of the Gibb River road - might be further food for your thoughts :-o).
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Reply By: Member - Warfer (VIC) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 22:28

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 22:28
I'd suggest you drive straight on past Peterborough,Theres a Drunken Ol Bum in the area that walks around with a Gold Detector slung over one shoulder..

He's not a bad bloke when he's not Moon shining though ! lmao


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