Driving tired

Submitted: Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 19:04
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if you don't think Fatigue poses a significant risk to our business have a look at this, with several hundred ton of haul truck there are a very few escapes.



This guy was very lucky!!!

Komatsu 930 coming off the dump heading back to the shovel pit.


A 16H grader was working the haul road. The Haul truck driver fell asleep -
it's only by the grace of God that the grader operator walked away from this
with a few bruises.

Still under investigation. The right front tyre of the haul truck climbed
up the scarifiers, over the rear wheels and along the cab. The ROPS is bent
and there are rubber skid marks along the cab. They believe that the haul
truck tyre blew when it came down on the blade.

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Reply By: darrell.QLD - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 19:15

Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 19:15
Skid marks everywhere in that cab,,i bet lol
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 20:24

Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 20:24
Not only the cab :)))

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Reply By: Member - Axle - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 20:37

Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 20:37
Nasty one!!, To many late nights?, To many hrs between breaks?, Or just one of those things? That will have workcover going nuts for a while.....Glad no one was killed!.


Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: Nickywoop - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 20:38

Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 20:38
Rocky, A very lucky out-come.

I am not a doctor, but it may not be fatigue, it could be a

condition known as sleep apnea.

Nick
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 21:56

Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 21:56
Having done fatigue management it "opens your eyes" ha! ha! ha!

Yep many things cause fatigue and not just lack of sleep.

We all react differently to fatigue both self induced and medical conditions.

Most of us just push through and run on empty.

Many years ago I came out of Sydney with a load for Greenvale NQ, urgent load as usual, got to the railway crossing that used to cross the road south of Rocky and stopped at the stop sign, yep! stopped all right about 400 metres past the sign and looked back to see a freight train going through the crossing. Not asleep just running on empty.



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Reply By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 22:10

Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 22:10
Where is it? Looks like snow there....counts WA and Qld out, LOL.

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 07:13

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 07:13
Andrew,
I received the photos in an email with only the explanation of how it happened,my guess would be the Americas.

With the weather the way it is it could be WA or QLD
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Reply By: Member - Serg (VIC) - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 08:03

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 08:03
I always was in believing that fatigue (not speed they said) is highest danger. Thus for long drives it is actually safer to drive faster (to certain extend of course), because one will spend less time on road.

Cheers
Serg
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 09:15

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 09:15
Serg,
you are probably gonna get caned now by many.

We all have different ways of combating fatigue.

I try to avoid what I call my witching hours which are 2 to 4 in the am and pm. Different people have different body clocks so this would vary. I don't go to sleep as such but tend not to react quickly.

Now days my last day is 20 hours starting around 3.30 am and ending about midnight after a 400k drive.

My own rules are, I don't have a drink the night before, I don't drink coffee after midday, I get at least a half hour nap on the plane and at the half way point I pull up and grab a coffee. I don't stuff about and keep a constant dollar to a dollar ten in the speed department and I don't go walking around the vehicle every 2 hours as I have always believed it is a waste of time. If you are tired the only cure is a nap.

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Follow Up By: Member - Serg (VIC) - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 09:58

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 09:58
Rockape,

I been exercising long legs many times – from Melbourne to Gold Coast in one hit as many as 5 times. Cannot tell about everybody, but I am not tired by driving as a such, not even from luck of sleep, but my eyes get really tired by constantly concentrating on the road. Also I have tried “a nap” as you suggest and as advertised everywhere. I personally found it incredibly dangerous, because my body switches from “concentrated” mode into “relaxed” one and my ability to drive safely compromised. I am strongly believe that 10-15 min “nap” cannot do any good – if you cannot drive, then go to proper sleep. But again if say split MelbourneGold Coast route into 2 parts, then not only I will loose a day from my holiday, but also it would be not that exciting to start driving next day. Also I been in NT in times when there was no speed limits. We trying to drive “by feeling” and discover that 150-160 km/hris very comfortable to drive. Above 170 it require much more concentration and became not that pleasant. I do not understand why it is impossible to allow 150 km/hr on say Hume w/h – two lines each direction separated by nature strip. That would mean 30% less time on the road, thus 30% less chances to get into accident.

Cheers
Serg
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 10:11

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 10:11
Yep Serge, we are all different and what works for one doesn't mean it works for another.

NT have introduced speed limits now Serge and I would be pretty reserved on the introduction of that sort of speed on good old highway 3.
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt (Perth-WA) - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 15:23

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 15:23
Ahh the old Vic Roads 'Power nap' campaign.

I guess it has to work doesnt it?

If you do decide to stop for a power nap..then fall asleep totally and wake up 5 hrs later then are you not a safer operator on the road?

The capaign didnt have anything to lose really.

I find that if I nap but wake in that 15-20 min window and not hit REM sleep (the bit you get doughy and drowsy in) then I find I can operate quite refreshed for a few more hours (like when you are jst short of a destination for real sleep). If I get woken in an hour or so, then I do feel groggy and it is hard to concentrate and shake that fogginess.

Matt.
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 10:21

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 10:21
Yeh, I've been watching that US TV show "Ice Road Truckers" over the past few weeks. The show is typical yank rubbish in the way it's presented....they seem to think we have a memory span of no more than 3 minutes, cos they keep repeating the same thing over and over.

But, one thing I have noticed is just how tired the drivers are. The cabs of about 6 rigs are fitted with cameras, including night vision lenses. One bloke was just yawning and rubbing his eyes soooo much, you'd have to wonder how on earth he managed to keep his outfit on the ice. The road authorities were keeping a watchful eye on the speed the drivers were doing and came down hard on anybody who broke the speed limit. BUT, there didn't seem to be any rules as far as how many hours driving v hours sleep these blokes had to observe. They seemed to just be allowed to drive as long as they thought they were okay to do so.

Roachie
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt (Perth-WA) - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 15:16

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 15:16
Great show Roachie...not for the sensationalism..I just like watching what the vehicles are required to endure and I use it for examples at work.

The sleep/driving hours is a good one... the only point I accept is that at 25mph you have no chice but to do long hours...that would be excrutiating holding that speed for those distances.

Not as excrutiating as the water temp though...when they speed and the bow wave bleep ters the ice...thats a very fast cold swim to a wet grave.....and yet some still speed?? Amazing human nature hey?

All the best

Mattt.
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