Sand Flags

Submitted: Monday, May 18, 2009 at 13:23
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Hi all, I have sourced sand flags at about $80 from 4*4 Mt Barker SA.

Has anyone any feedback on these as price looks good.

Cheers. John.
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Reply By: Willem - Monday, May 18, 2009 at 13:31

Monday, May 18, 2009 at 13:31
Sheeeeesh...that's abit exxy. What do you get for $80?


I have an old HF aerial and a piece of rag the missus stitched for me.

Prior to that I had an extentadble firbreglass Wogpole bought in Melbourne for around $25. The Wogpole is normally 6 metres extended. It did quite a few Simpson and Gibson desert treks before becoming unuseable.


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Follow Up By: Sixty at Last - Monday, May 18, 2009 at 13:37

Monday, May 18, 2009 at 13:37
Thks for the good ideas Willem.

Re your Q:

Sand Flag and Pole Assembly for safe sand dune and outback driving.

Increasingly more important for safe travel throughout the beaches and outback, a "sand flag" or "dune flag" will alert others to your whereabouts and greatly assist in avoiding a collision.

Mandatory on certain 4x4 club trips and highly recommended on most public access beaches and outback tracks.

Yes, we also supply to the mining industry.

Help keep tracks open by acting responsibly and safely. TREAD BRIGHTLY!

Features of our sand flags:

* The flags are made from high grade, U.V. stable "DayGlo" PVC material and will not rip, tear or fray.
* The flags are stitched AND glued to the pole
* The pole is made up of 3 lengths of white 12.5mm fibreglass rod. (Easily remove sections to avoid branches)
* The pole is easily carried when dismantled.
* The pole mount itself is small enough to be left on the vehicle permanently.
* The pole mount uses a standard half inch thread and wingnut to enable you to secure onto any standard sized mounting hole (such as for UHF antenna or spot lights). Should be mounted on the front of the vehicle, and the higher the better.
* Units have been thoroughly off-road tested.
* 12 month return to manufacturer warranty offering repair or replacement at our discretion.
* PLEASE NOTE: These sand flags are not designed to withstand continuous use at speeds over 30 km/hr. They are for off-road use only.

Flag and Pole Specifications:

* Weight including threaded mount: 820g
* Total height from base : 2740mm
* Flag dimensions : 310mm x 200mm (Complies with and exceeds CAMS 2004 safety flag specifications of 600cm²)


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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Monday, May 18, 2009 at 13:50

Monday, May 18, 2009 at 13:50
What would the average spped done when crossing the Simpson Desert??

I would think it to be more than 30km/h for most of it. Which would mean that the sand flag would be likely to fail when you most need it.

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Follow Up By: Member - Howard (ACT) - Monday, May 18, 2009 at 14:14

Monday, May 18, 2009 at 14:14
on the parts where a sand flag would be necessary ie in the dunes we averaged about 15-17 km per hour.

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Follow Up By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Monday, May 18, 2009 at 18:05

Monday, May 18, 2009 at 18:05
My last trip on the simpson when my chassis cracked. My average speed was 13km/h
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, May 18, 2009 at 19:50

Monday, May 18, 2009 at 19:50
Hehehe,

I like the bit about "Complies with and exceeds CAMS 2004 safety flag specifications of 600cm²)"

Complying to the Confederation of Australian Motor Sport specifications but then rated at only 30 kph makes me LOL and ROTFLMAO.

Seriously though, $80 doesn't sound too bad for a complete flag system that can be easily dismounted and stored.
I paid around the $100 5 years ago for an excellent flag & pole, but it is a one piece pole and is harder to transport when not actually using it.

At present, it resides in a PVC water pipe container on the side of the camper.

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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Monday, May 18, 2009 at 21:59

Monday, May 18, 2009 at 21:59
"Complying to the Confederation of Australian Motor Sport specifications but then rated at only 30 kph makes me LOL and ROTFLMAO."

I do hope CAMS require the V8 Supercars comply with their flag standards!

Imagine how much easier a Formula Ford would be to track with a CAMS compliant flag!

The mind boggles!

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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 08:11

Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 08:11
I am with you Sandman. Sir Kev was obviously on his charger when he says "I would think it to be more than 30km/h for most of it. Which would mean that the sand flag would be likely to fail when you most need it" I don't think he has been near the Simpson. LOL He would be flying off the dune crests.
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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 08:30

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That's a bit hash John ;)

Yes I have not yet done the Simpson Desert crossing, that is planned for next year. But going by This trek note the average speed is greater than 30km/h which prompted my question.

I know that your sand flag would probably outlast the one in question in this thread as it is a totally different design.

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 10:29

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CAMS control more than just circuit racing.
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Reply By: Member - John and Val W (ACT) - Monday, May 18, 2009 at 14:28

Monday, May 18, 2009 at 14:28
John,

Reckon if those flags were any smaller they would be hard to see! For $80 you should be able to get something a bit more visible.

Years ago we came across a bulk supply of flags of the sort that (we guess) are used on golf courses. Nice fibreglass poles a couple of meters long and bright red and white checked flags of a good size. Attach to bullbar with a bit of ingenuity and hey presto a sand flag that has survived for a lot of kms - and at more than 30km/hr.

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Reply By: Peter McG (Member, Melbourne) - Monday, May 18, 2009 at 14:45

Monday, May 18, 2009 at 14:45
I have the same one which I got a few years ago. The pole and flag are fine but the mounting system isn't up to the rough stuff. I made a new holder and now mount to a second bull bar mount. A better system is made by 4x4 Equip or Outback Ideas. Piranha in Melbourne stock theirs.

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Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Monday, May 18, 2009 at 17:18

Monday, May 18, 2009 at 17:18
Mine cost about $4 for a meter of red material .

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Reply By: gke - Monday, May 18, 2009 at 17:36

Monday, May 18, 2009 at 17:36
Suggest an old surf rod from an op. shop and a piece of rag Cheers, Graham
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Follow Up By: Member - Scrubcat (VIC) - Monday, May 18, 2009 at 19:30

Monday, May 18, 2009 at 19:30
Ditto.

An old 2 piece or 3 piece solid fibre glass fishing rod with all bits removed from the fibre glass stick.
A red flag from a truck shop or safety equipment shop.
All held to the bullbar with the clamps and U bolts used for TV antenna`s. Or cable ties and 100mph tape.

Worked for me although the red flag was donated by a grader driver.

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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, May 18, 2009 at 20:18

Monday, May 18, 2009 at 20:18
Ditto x 3
Surf Rod has been the best sandflag I've used over the years because they are strong, have the right amount of flex and easily attach to the bullbar. They areso long enough - should be at least 12 feet off the ground and on the front of the vehicle.

Have two at the moment - 2-piece that I use and my daughter's vehicle has a 3piece which dissassembles into a nice length.

Can pick up a surfrod for $15-25 at any CashConverters.
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Follow Up By: Inkbandit79 - Monday, May 25, 2009 at 22:37

Monday, May 25, 2009 at 22:37
Im keen to make one out of an old surf rod but was wondering how it was securley mounted to a bull bar
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, May 25, 2009 at 22:45

Monday, May 25, 2009 at 22:45
I have a steel cup on the flat part of the bullbar that the rod sits in and use duct tape on the top part of the bar. Duct tape has never let me down (unlike cable ties) and the rod won't move.
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Follow Up By: Inkbandit79 - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 19:18

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 19:18
well thanks Phil for the idea, i got bored on my day off and had a go at it, I used an old surf rod which i broke the tip off, went down to bunning's and picked up 2feet of 15mm rod with 4nuts and 2washers, cut the end of the rod, packed it with body filler and jammed the rod up the guts, used two of the nuts as lock nuts with loxeal, placed the remaining 2 inches through the spare arial mount and the tightened it up with the the other two nuts and threw in a spring washer that was on the floor of the shed, speed tested to 120 and bugger all movement the missus is stitching up an old hi vis shirt for a flag tonight. should be the goods i hope?
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Monday, May 18, 2009 at 19:48

Monday, May 18, 2009 at 19:48
The same brand flag and pole is available from EbaY, $79. Michael


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Reply By: Member - Lionel A (WA) - Monday, May 18, 2009 at 21:12

Monday, May 18, 2009 at 21:12
Curtain rail and Paulas red g-string....lol....it works.


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Reply By: Doggy Tease - Monday, May 18, 2009 at 21:33

Monday, May 18, 2009 at 21:33
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Just an old 8 foot ugly stick with material from two different safety vests.
Bleedin thing really stands out.

meow.

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Follow Up By: Sixty at Last - Monday, May 18, 2009 at 21:51

Monday, May 18, 2009 at 21:51
Ta Rick, how'd you mount it pls? Cheers. John.
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Follow Up By: jdwynn (Adelaide) - Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 06:58

Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 06:58
using an Ugly Stick as a flag pole........now that's just sacrilegious. LOL

Ugly Stick has legend status in my family!!
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Follow Up By: Doggy Tease - Friday, May 22, 2009 at 21:25

Friday, May 22, 2009 at 21:25
I just cable tie it to the large loop part of the bullbar,,,,,its never moved.

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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Sunday, May 24, 2009 at 13:07

Sunday, May 24, 2009 at 13:07
Thks Rick. John.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Wednesday, Jun 17, 2009 at 17:03

Wednesday, Jun 17, 2009 at 17:03
Mine is made from a 7 ft Ugly Stik blank as well. I bought the flag part on ebay.

It was easy to bind a couple of small gudes onto the blank so that I could attach the flag.

I taped and cable tied a tube to an upright on the rear of my bull bar. Then I used masking tape to bring up the diameter of the blank until it was a tight fit in that tube. Only used it once - between the Eagle Hwy and the Calverts - but it did the job well.

That's about the best use for an Ugly Stik in this modern world of graphite blanks. They are too heavy to be of much use as a casting tool. Good in their time, but dinosaurs now.

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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Wednesday, Jun 17, 2009 at 17:56

Wednesday, Jun 17, 2009 at 17:56
Thks Willie.
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Reply By: Member - Rodney B- Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 00:25

Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 00:25
I went to our local bike shop and found one for the kids bikes for $12. Fiberglass rod with flag about 2.5 metres long and I mounted it on the side of the roofrack. It breaks in half for storage. Tested it to 70kph with little bend. When not needed just folds down the side of the roofrack.
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Follow Up By: Sixty at Last - Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 00:37

Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 00:37
Thks Rod. Got a photo? Cheers. John.
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt & Julie (VIC) - Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 21:52

Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 21:52
Rodney
I have done exactly the same, two piece mounted on the roof rack, it stands about four metres high,I think it was about nine dollars when I got it.
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