"Ayers Rock" Campground

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Ah! They were the days....... No shelter, No doors on the showers, walking distance to the "Rock" Sorry, .... Dreaming of the good 'ol days. Does anyone have pics of the old Ayers Rock Campground? My first visit was 1981, well before
Yulara was built & IMHO spoilt the place.
I can remember the Service station there & also 3 Pubs in a semicircle. Does anyone remember their names? Didn't take any pic's myself on that trip, used to travel light compared to now (Datsun 180B sedan) & can't find any on the net. Except for around the time of Azaria going missing. I do recall a disgruntled truckie driving through one of the pubs around that time too.
Just trying to refresh my memory of the real Ayers Rock Experience......
Thanks,
PMK
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Reply By: briann532 - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 15:52

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 15:52
G'day PMK,

What??? You don't think being overcharged to get bad service and facilities run by english backpackers, and being made to feel guilty for being Australian, isn't the "true" Ayers rock experience.
Truly you are out of touch with modern man!!!
Its not even Ayers' Rock anymore, he gave it back.............

On a serious note, even though I'll probably get a few replies of disgruntled humourless "aussies", life does move on and experiences are never the same.
Tis a shame, but we have lots of good things now too.

Great memories like yours are others are a recollection of a life well lived!

Cheers
Brian
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Follow Up By: pmk3 - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 16:03

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 16:03
My point exactly....

It's certainly a different experience now, Just not my cup of tea.
Thanks for your closing comment
PMK
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 16:12

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 16:12
Personally, I have found Ayers Rock Campground to be quite reasonable cost wise.
Also meals at the Pioneer Lodge are fairly priced as well.

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Follow Up By: pmk3 - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 17:46

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 17:46
Thanks for your comments Shaker,

I am asking about the old campground experiences, before Yulara & "Uluru"

I Think I paid around $3.00 for a tent site back then....... Now thats reasonable.

PMK


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Follow Up By: Galloping Tortoise - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 17:54

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 17:54
PMK
Sorry can't help you mate. My cobber and I did the Plenty H'way, Alice Ayres Rock bit 22 yrs ago. Onlly place we had to pitch camp between Charters Towers and Birdsville. Was not bad, cept management were worried our Rotty dog get the dingo's...lol, but were even offered a job. We did not even feel guilty climbing the rock nor walking around it. Had to put an Indigionous flag on windscreen though (no probs, we flew an Ozzie flag too) Mate and I are doin the Strzelecki next year with my "handbrake". She's a texan....dunno want she's infor.
Great forum mates.
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Reply By: Willem - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 17:54

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 17:54
The Suzuki Clubs of Australia had a gathering there in 1978. We camped in the open just to the north of the motels on New Years Eve and went for drinkies at the Ansett Lodge? Climbed the rock the next morning without taking a bottle of drinking water with us (can't remember if there were plastic bottles in those days). Got a tad parched but found some holes with clear water up there and had a good drink. Later we had a run-in with the Ranger, the late Derek Roff, about driving off road. It wasn't us but he insisted on making a fuss. A long drawn out saga followed. There were no indigenous camps around at that time. Thats all I can recall :-)
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Follow Up By: pmk3 - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 18:05

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 18:05
Thanks Willem,

The camp near the motels sound right. I remember it being an easy stumblin' distance back to my tent. Ansett does ring a bell. No doubt one was called "Red Sands" too.
Didn't know the ranger but spent some time with the mechanic at the servo.
Fixing a snapped rear crossmember bolt on the old 180B. But couldn't remember his name. Wouldn't believe it ....... He had the genuine bolt in stock.
But I think he charged a fourtune for it. Hmm! Maybe some things haven't changed!!
I do remember indigenous folk around in 1981. Thats how I remember no doors on the showers....... The kids found it quite amusing!!
PMK
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Follow Up By: Twintrail(W.A.) - Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 00:37

Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 00:37
Hi Willem.was there in 73. climed the rock bare foot. the ranger at the time told us that we were the first white fellows he knew of that had climed bare foot.long time ago but rember a bunyip money box at the top. regards twintrail
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 07:19

Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 07:19
G'day Twintrail

Yer one tuff cookie, eh?...lol

Did you find anything on your recent excursion out in the goldfields?

Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Malcolm (Townsville) - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 18:19

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 18:19
I was up there about 1978 with a convoy of half a dozen Army Land Rovers. We had just finished a recce on Alice Springs and surrounds (Palm Valley, Herrmansburg come to mind) for logistics and made a quick detour to the rock on the way back.

Pulled into the camp ground and setup our swags etc. Local copper pulled up and invited us all out on the town (LOL). We all climbed on the back of his ute and took off to one of the Motels for a drink. One drink and he said, "come on, we're leaving". I asked why and he said, "There's three prices: Tourist prices; Local prices; and "in the know prices, and I only pay the last one". We then went to the old motel at the base of the rock and "settled in". About 2000hrs (that's 8pm) the heavens opened up. We raced back to the camp ground but everything was absolutelt saturated. We stayed the night in the motel's billiard room. I can remember huddling in the corner with just one dry spot on the blanket pressed against my cheek. What a miserable night LOL.

In the morning, the fog completely surrounded the rock. About 1000hrs it lifted and we could see the water cascading down the rock. What a magnificant sight. There was a dingo chasing the frogs down the middle of the track; an american tourist had his camera out filming it. "My God, have ya ever seen enything like this", he said. NO!! It was one my my life's great experiences.

As a side note: The local copper had closed the roads due to the rain. I was convoy commander and pleaded with him to let us out. He opened the road for two hours for 4WD vehicles only. Gave me the directions to head to the SA Border and follow it back to the highway. What a great drive. Wet sand all the way - just like bitumen.

I recalled that story to a group of tourists I was guiding in Townsville about 1998 and one of them said, "I remember that water cascading off the rock, I was there". Small world isn't it?

Enjoy

Malcolm

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Follow Up By: pmk3 - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 19:00

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 19:00
Thanks Malcolm,

Your story brings back the character or the old place. These are slowly disappearing over time. It's good to hear, takes me back.
Have never seen the rain there & probably never will now. Been there half a dozen times over the years, still amazes me but the resort thing is not my scene.
What an amazing conicidence with the tourist in Townsville.
PMK
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony Z (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 22:38

Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 22:38
I was out there in 1979 Aug. in a Kombi ( you know the hippy years ) i'm now 52
We, the girl friend and I just were amazed at the size of the rock, as you were camped that close. When you woke and came out for the day it was in your face.
Then it rained for days and we were flooded in for about 4weeks, luckly we had a great neighbour as he had a Suzuki ( 1 of those 3cyl jobs) He lent it to us so we could go out to see and climb the Olga's, in the rain mind you, not the easy way that you do it now, but up a face sitting in cave's to shelter from the wind and rain
The road was dirt from just out of Alice to Ayre's Rock and down to near Crystal Brook
Ah for the memories !!!
That's why we went there again just 2weeks ago. So different we just sat there for hours just watching the FOOLS climb up the rock.
I did try but was to windy and only got to top of chain then returned to ground as the wind got up. It was closed not long after
Ah the memories!!!!
Got some old Slides of the rock from way back then
Ah the memories !!!!
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Reply By: Serendipity of Mandurah (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 19:32

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 19:32
It is hard to find pictures from days older than the internet. (internet invented circa 1990 by Timothy John Berners-Lee).

It is sad that so many places are being 'sanitized' for the peoples own good. It would be great to visit these places before you need to park the 3km back and pay the $$$ to trek to the lookout and view from a distance.

It is true that great places only need a few filthy campers to leave rubbish like campfire burn tins and toilet paper messages to ruin it for others. And I can understand places with heavy tourism will soon become disgusting. Especially with your 4x4 tour cars that have no shovel to bury their waste and they come from another country and don't care about this one.

I did find some old Ayers Rock pics posted on www.dellabarkley.id.au/memorylane/memorylane.html.

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Follow Up By: pmk3 - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 20:36

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 20:36
How True about one time visitors & their lack of care once they have left.
The "been there done that" type of people.
The adventure of a trip to these places is lost because of the easy access nowadays. Anybody can get there with little effort. I guess if you've not seen it before the tourist proofing it still has a certain adventure about it, but your right about the sanitizing.
Thanks for the pics. Pretty much the same as the one I have of the dingo at my tent in the old camp.
PMK

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Follow Up By: Serendipity of Mandurah (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 21:15

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 21:15
Years ago I read Canadian national parks had a surcharge when leaving. If you did not leave with bags of rubbish equivalent to the number of people and the length of your stay you had to pay a surcharge for the rangers to go back and pick up your rubbish. No bins provided in park only at the entrance/exit.

Sounded like a great idea to me.

You had to collect all your rubbish and present it as you left.


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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 19:38

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 19:38
. . . . dingoes wandering through the campground.
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Follow Up By: pmk3 - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 20:27

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 20:27
Funny you say that.... the only pic I have is a dingo scratching around my tent.

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Reply By: Member - Adam S (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 19:42

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 19:42
pmk3,

The Inland was the motel the truck went through, my memory is not the best and I was young the first time I was there but I believe there were three motels around the base and the campground.
The names I remember are the Inland, the Red Sands and the Uluru.
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Follow Up By: Oldsquizzy (Kununurra) - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 19:48

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 19:48
It was the inland Motel that ended up with a drive through bar and Di Burns owned it...There were three motels and the campground... When they were moved out Di Burns went on to own Glen Helen Lodge till she passed away a few years ago.
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Follow Up By: Member - Adam S (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 19:58

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 19:58
Oldsquizzy your (much) older than me you should remember who built them.
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Follow Up By: Oldsquizzy (Kununurra) - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 22:36

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 22:36
Gidday Adam...I remember a fair bit about them as Di was a friend of ours and Danke's and I used to be down there every second weekend for a few years.
It used to take ages to get past Damien at Ebenezer then Peter at curtain springs, plus the road was dirt then as well so we used to swing back past Ian Conways at Kings Creek Station. Took Nicky Fergusen there with us when we were rounding up camels for Ian one weekend on the claypans, He loved it that mush he damn well stayed there...But as they say times change.
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Follow Up By: Oldsquizzy (Kununurra) - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 22:37

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 22:37
Hey....and not so much of the MUCH older thanks.....lol
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 20:56

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 20:56
PMK,
Looks like 1978 was a good year. My first visit was there in 1978 and like Malcolm it rained! And we were there in December just before Xmas - must have been a week before Willem. Heres some photos that have been scanned off slides. And we did it in a KE10 Corolla wagon!

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Follow Up By: pmk3 - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 21:16

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 21:16
Thanks Phil,

Terrific pics. They show the adventure of the trip I was talking about earlier. I'll bet your pre trip preparation was minimal also, as was mine. When you look back you wonder what we were thinking. I thought I was the only one mad enough to try it in a two wheel drive. At least you has a Toyota ( mine was a nissan Ha Ha!) I guess back then not everyone had a 4wd... as they do now Hey!
Funny I don't recall the entrance, maybe it was gone in 1981. But the bench seats around the camp trigger a memory or two. I Also recall some large flat benchs, like low level tables scattered around the campground. Not sure what they were for.

Thanks all for the info & pics so far

PMK
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Follow Up By: mazcan barry - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 21:55

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 21:55
hi guys
that brings back great memories for i was there in nov/1980 those motel names are spot on and the campsite pics also the entrance sign as well
i had a 1979 jeep cherokee with a 5.9 360cu in rambler v8 under the bonnet and a viscount aircond 18ft tandem axle in tow
my wife and i climbed the rock at 4.45am i carried our 3yr old daughter all the way up and back down again on my shoulders and it was close to 40 degrees by the time we got back at 10am and believe me i was stuffed
there wasn't many tourist in those days and few restrictions on where you could go and what you could look at it's one of the best experiences i've ever had and the olga's was simular when i revisited in 1987 the whole scene had completely changed it was over- run with great bus loads of over seas tourists and the real feel it had in 1980 was totally gone
those were the good old days my friends great memories
mazcan barry
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 22:04

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 22:04
I was a uni student working in a grog shop back then - that Corolla was all I could afford (it would be worth a fortune now though!). Xmas holidays was the only time I could string together 6 weeks for a trip - it was pretty hot! The Corolla had a sump guard and bullbar I welded up, extra leaves in the rear springs, a tropical roof and a CB radio for comms. Took a few spares - tyres/tubes/plugs, points, condenser, coil, carbikit, distributer cap, epoxy repair, fencing wire etc and carried an extra 40 litres of petrol and 60 litres of water for the 3 of us.Water was cooled in a waterbag and cordial added for taste. Lots of Hamper corned beef, tinned ham and braised steak and onion was consumed! Sunshine milk etc etc Lost all the oil out of a front strut on the Ayers Rock corrugations, but drove it like that until back in Sydney.

Heres a couple more photos and a map scanned out of (the late and great) Jeff Carter's 1972 book on Central Australia.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 22:16

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 22:16
mazcan Barry,
We've done very similar things. I carried our youngest - a 4 year old - up to the summit when we returned in 1989. It rained that time too. Here's a photo from that trip:
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Follow Up By: pmk3 - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 22:16

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 22:16
Wow!! Phil,

You have come up with som terrific info there. That map is great & clears up the hotel names too.
You seem to have prepared pretty well for the trip.
I was there in January & being a stupid 21yr old climbed the rock at 2.00 in the afternoon. I recall the surface of the rock was so hot you couldn't put your hands on it to help climb. One good thing was I was alone on the climb. It was so peaceful at the top...........

Thanks for your efforts,

PMK
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Follow Up By: mazcan barry - Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 12:55

Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 12:55
hi
we never saw any rain at ayers rock and we left home on 20th/sep/80 and went up the west coast everyone said your mad your gunna get stuck in the wet go around the other way.
up the west cst we did'nt see one drop of rain for 18 weeks and on through NT and into QLD
the first was on the north qld cst we traveled in aircon comfort in the jeep cherokee through 40-45 deg heat from derby onwards the gavel rd started from memory beween carnarvon and onslow they where road building ready to seal it to broome our trip took 8 months when we got back to wa they had had the worst and dryest year for decades from esperance toalbany/ bunbury via coastal hwy all was dry dusty and paddocks were devoid of feed anddam water
memories !!!! and then you here people as soon as we get yet another dry spell say
( it's never been this dry before )????????? never been this dusty ??????
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Reply By: Member - COLIN D (VIC) - Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 08:16

Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 08:16
Hi pmk3

I was there in 1980 when Azaria went missing , i took lots of slides , what was i thinking ? we were in a Holden panel van , a bag of clothes an esky and a tent , and a tool box , that was about it .
I also climbed the rock in bare feet , no water , no sun screen , no hat ,and no brains .
Our car did a nose dive into the sandy track at Kings Canyon where the car park is now , back then it was bush and 2 wheel tracks in the sand and you could camp there , the fan blades went through the radiator , so we sawed the fan blades of to make them ballanced , cut the damaged section radiator core out of the radiator rolled up the tubes in the core sealed them with silastic , 2 eggs 1 container of pepper and drove to the rock and back to Alice Springs , no problems ,
There were hardly any 4x4 vehicles arround back then when you really needed one , now there is more bitumin and everyone needs a 4x4, me included .
Great Topic
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Follow Up By: pmk3 - Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 10:35

Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 10:35
Hi Coiln,

Yeh! What were we thinking. Basically unprepared by todays standards. Didn't take much at all, just a few basic tools. I only had one spare. But boy what an adventure it all was.
We still travel now & still love it, but in the comfort of our airconditioned 4WD's with all the safety of communication & a truckload of spares.
Ah take me back to the simple life.......... But then I'm getting older & don't mind the comforts of modern travel either.

PMK
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Reply By: Member - COLIN D (VIC) - Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 13:12

Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 13:12
, the world has turned all white and fluffy , i'm so glad i saw that area when i did , i go back now and think what will it be like in another 30 years .
Colin
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 17:37

Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 17:37
True....but those that went 30 years before you probably thought the same...that's progress for you.

Cheers......
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Reply By: austastar - Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 16:20

Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 16:20
Hi,
Yep, a truck did go through the pub, but i heard they found dingo prints on the steering wheel.
cheers
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