Security software
Submitted: Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 05:23
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Member - Doug T (NT)
Over the years I've tried a few Anti Virus programs, the first was Nortons, yes the word was , if you have a PC you just have to have Nortons, what a load of crap, all it does is slows the system down and costs money , the next was one I bought ...started with a T, cannot remember the name , too intrusive and complicated, next came Bigpond Security.....$90 ....geez it took me a while to figure that crap out, I got rid of it after around 9 months , then I was told AVG free is the way to go so I tried it, yeh...not too bad so bought the full version, I think it slowed the PC a little but it was also intrusive, like big neon signs saying... I'M HERE.... i'm working, so when renewal time was nearing I got bombarded with emails warning subscription was ending soon and to re buy at discount rates etc etc and that piszes me right off, then one day I was going through programs here on my PC that were like just shoved to the back of the shelf and noticed an uninstalled Security called Microsoft Security Essentials, so I tried it, WOW it works, silently in the background , no yelling I'M HERE.... and the PC does not seem to be slowed down or impaired , so if your looking for a good security why not try it, you might like it as I do,
A TEST REPORTDOWNLOAD IT
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Reply By: Member No 1- Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 07:00
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 07:00
I'm currently using The Shield Deluxe....bloody thing does the same as CA....both deleted all my keygens..&%$#&*!!!!
but at least they keep the kids and
mine free of nasties...and dont appear to slow system down....put it this way...i cant see any difference anyway
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Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 13:15
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 13:15
Keygens?
Naughty boy!
Yeh, I've found that AVG seems to identify any keygen as infected, whether it is or not.
Then again, some keygens are infected, as I've found (in time, fortunately!).
cheers
Gerry
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 14:30
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 14:30
I didnt write that...must have been a virus
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 07:21
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 07:21
Hi Guys,
Used to use McAfee and payed for it with a credit card. I had two licenses for my laptop and desktop until one expired way before the due date.
Couldn't contact the mongrels and eventually purchased a three user license for Vet (now under CA Security Suite umbrella) at a good price.
But McAfee automatically actioned a renewal via my credit card for the one remaining license without my approval and to my absolute anger. Got the bank to block the Credit purchase and wouldn't use this Company or its products again.
CA has been working
well with automatic updates, however on rare occasions has caused my Outlook email downloads to crash with an error. Usually happens with an issue of the ExplorOz newsletter but also some larger emails from elsewhere.
Now if it occurs I simply disable the personal firewall with a click of the mouse, repeat the download and everything works
well. Then enable the firewall again to stop those antisocial
pests from tampering with my systems.
The CA Firewall, AntiVirus and Personal Firewall are doing their job and I have had no unwanted intrusions.
Bill.
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:10
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:10
I paid for McAfee when I bought my laptop, it was supposed to be available for three years, however McAfee has discontinued the program with-in the period of my purchase of the service, so did not work as it would not update to get new antivirus info.
I believe it's no better than AVG anyway, as I used to run both, independantly, to check each other and neither come up with any virus the other did not pick up that I could see.
Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: DesF - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 17:03
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 17:03
Hi , Have to agree with CA as said used to be Vet bought it about 9 years ago and still have it , about $30.00 a year now , and never had a problem yet , it is a 3 licence deal , so it is on this, my laptop and the wifes desktop .
Have used AVG as
well and that is very good and FREE.
Cheers Des.
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Reply By: madcow - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 07:32
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 07:32
AVG is another good one. Free download and highly recomended on the tv recently. You can get the pro version for a fee but the free version is the same but gets the same updates as the pro version a bit later on. ( a Week?)
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Reply By: toyotabits.com - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 07:47
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 07:47
G'day, another beauty is superantispyware free edition is exceptional, picks up stuff my others don't, worth a try, aussiedingo
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 13:52
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 13:52
Anti spy ware is NOT antvirus software Does a totally different thing
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Reply By: Rockape - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 07:48
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 07:48
Doug,
I have had a great run with Kapersky international. The only thing it hates is Adobe and keeps saying it is highly vunerable, I just ignore it.
Kaspersky
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 21:30
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 21:30
Kapersky is what we have too.
Now, what I know about puters could be written on the back of a half-sucked Aspro, so I'm behind the 8 ball right from the start. However, Annette and I do persevere as much as possible.
Recently we've had some "issues" with our 12 y/old son who has been looking up all sorts of piccs of lovely ladies in various states of undress and in various , hmmmmm, compromising poses!!!!
Okay, so we've instigated the parental control which has put paid to that sort of nonsence. However, now that we've made it secure, Annette can't access the daily newspapers that she likes to read!!! We've tried to "okay" these sites as trusted sites, but even though they are deleted from the list of "nasties", she still can't read the news articles.
Anyway, one of these days we'll work out how to do it I s'pose!!! LOL
Don't ya just gotta luv puters!!!!?????
Roachie
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 22:59
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 22:59
So Bill what sites was he looking at?
If you can provide a list of the web addresses I can double check that they are indeed unsuitable for viewing by minors :-)) LOL
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Reply By: Member - Paul M (VIC) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 08:14
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 08:14
Thanks Doug, just have a distrust of Msoft...
Been using ESET Nod32
happy longtime user.
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:12
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:12
Ditto , instant updates , and no perceptable power drain.
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Follow Up By: Member - Wim (Qld) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:43
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:43
Also/
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Follow Up By: Simon C - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 10:07
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 10:07
Ditto here.....company has 50 licences, and is an excellent programme. Auto updates work a treat, and never had virus probs unless
the nut behind the wheel messes with the scan settings, and turns some options off.....
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Follow Up By: Member - Donks1 (NSW) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:02
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:02
X 4
steve
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Follow Up By: Member - Brenton H (SA) - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 08:45
Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 08:45
X 5
When only the best will do!
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 09:37
Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 09:37
x 6
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Reply By: Bob of KAOS - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:03
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:03
Have you considered an alternative OS when you next update?
I have Windows XP at work. I have an XP laptop for running OziExplorer in the car, but it never gets connected to the internet.
Otherwise its Macs.
When I ran my own business I spent half my life supporting a network, worrying about viruses, and on occasions dealing with catastrophic infestations.
Even where I work now, despite a massive IT department, firewalls and security software that makes the whole system run like a dog, we still got a worm that they can't completely remove.
If you want worry free computing - ditch Microsoft. A new Mac mini will set you back $850.
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Reply By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:06
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:06
Doug,
MSE is better than nothing, just like the Microsoft Windows Firewall is better than nothing, but there are much better anti virus programs (and firewalls) out there for free. A quick google of AV reviews barely finds a mention of it and those that do review it don't give it a very good rap.
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Reply By: ozjohn0 - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:10
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:10
Like you I've tried many over the years and have settled on AVG (Free Version) The paid version has the same anti-virus software, but has a few extras that I don't require added for good measure.
AVG does all that I require both for home and business.
Many friends are also using AVG and a few use Avast (free) with equally good comments.
ozjohn.
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Reply By: Member - Amy G (SA) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:14
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:14
Agree that Norton is a piece of junk- I installed the free version on my brand new computer the other week (the 90 day trial that came with it) and after a week of thinking my computer was completely stuffed and unable to connect to the internet 90% of the time, I uninstalled Norton and what do you know, it runs just fine :)
I have tried a bunch of the anti-virus programs over the years, but I always come back to Trend Micro (have a copy w/ 3 licences here at
home) or Spysweeper. Spysweeper was great- I'm surprised it's not bigger than it is.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:27
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:27
Trend..... yes, that's the one my old memory couldn't remember,
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:27
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:27
If you think you removed Norton from your nice new PC, then you are wrong.
There will still be dozens of files left behind still slowing your machine.
There is a program available that will clean your PC of all these unwanted AV files, works for MacAfee as
well, that is almost as bad as Norton for leaving unwanted files.
I may have the software required.
NOD32 is an excellent AV program.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:49
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:49
Shaker
Dribble..dribble.......sparrow talk, I have to smile when I see comments like yours on Norton , My PC had a trial on it too, I didn't use the trial , but after the 3 month period I deleted it, and I mean DELETE , there is no trace of it left,
I had someone say same about Incredimail about a year ago,(you'll never get rid of it) maybe it was you....lol
Anyhow I had tried it after some ill guided person told me how fantastic it was .....for him,what another package of crap, I deleted it ....fully, I have had no comebacks like I was told would happen , because I DELETED IT,
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 10:10
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 10:10
An unnecessary & ill-informed reply Doug, if you don't know what you are talking about, don't comment!
If you have had Norton on your computer, I am happy to supply you with the aforementioned software for you to use , on the condition that you then post a retraction of your derogatory comments.
I still don't know how you are one of the chosen few allowed to post so many off topic posts!
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 10:58
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 10:58
Shaker
Not really.... when it comes to my PC I do know what I'm talking about, what works and what won't, seems that comment has been cooking in your pot since I made it a few months ago....lmao.
And why would I want Nortons from you, I'm happy with what I've got, like the others with Trend and AVG and ... and .... ,
As for being off topic , a computer related post is to my reackoning not off topic , we all use computers to use the
Forum, or was there something else I might have posted that ......no we won't go there..
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:09
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:09
I'm with Amy, have Trend on 5 machines excellent product.
used it for many years now and never failed to update it year on year.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 14:29
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 14:29
Well Doug, I wasn't offering you Nortons, I was offering you a way of getting all the hidden fiiles & registry keys after using the Norton supposed "Uninstall"
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 18:45
Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 18:45
Poor form Doug, Shaker was offering advice. Norton installs numerous dll files and others which reside in all manner of
places around the PC, not just in the norton directory, also there are many registry entries that are dragged in.
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Reply By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:20
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:20
I got sick of the whole (insert expletive here) lot of it .......... MAC.
No AV required......yet.
Mark
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Reply By: Gronk - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 10:16
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 10:16
Went to a computer
shop approx 1 1/2 yrs ago to buy an anti virus program and they said we don't sell them ??????
Oh ????....but what we use is free....Avast.......been using it ever since and no probs at all....
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 10:48
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 10:48
Yep - being a tightwad, I downloaded the free MSE and now run that - dead easy and it seems to fit the bill - I read a report in the IT pages of the Australian suggesting it was good. OK.... in exchange for his largesse though, Bill Gates undoubtedly has the program configured to tell him everything
about us, while downloading automatic updates ! (I'm sure that so far we would have been a disappointment to Bill!)
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Reply By: Member - Donks1 (NSW) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:17
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:17
What ever you do Doug, Stay away from a programme called VIPER.
We just had it installed at work and it is absollute RUBBISH. Slows down everything you do. Our "IT" manager thought it was a good buy @ 1000 licences for $500.00, which is cheap, but now we know why
Stick to known products eg AVG free or Nod32 paid
Steve
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:43
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:43
Steve
VIPER eh.... reminds me of one of our members .........................oh
well anyhow thanks for the warning, at this stage I'll stick with MSE ,
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Reply By: ModSquad - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 12:30
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 12:30
Whilst posts about computer issues are useful to others, they are usually better suited to the
Blogs rather than the
Forum - unless of course there is something "specific" related to ExplorOz usage - then its ok. We only just became alerted to this post so we will not moderate it for now but just letting you know that this is viewed as Off Topic for the
Forum...otherwise it can get out of hand.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 16:23
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 16:23
Do as you see fit, I got past the dummy spit attitude many moons ago,
ThreadID: 74153 must be ok then, What I mean is .... what is the difference between Security software and Operating Software discussions.
What I will add is this,
ExplorOz is one hell of a website , and as we all know is chock-O-Block full of information for people and travellers world wide , The
Forum is just one small section , I do feel though if the off topic rule is enforced to strictly the
Forum will become stale , boring, and repetitive, and people will leave it, I don't want to see that, and I think many others don't want to see that either , I also feel a need for moderation, ie swearing, foul language, and heated arguments ,
Just my opinions .
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 14:05
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 14:05
Im sorry Doug but i very stongly disagree with you about Nortons.
I have been running it for years with no trouble
It all in how you set it up.
I am running Internet Security 2010 and it has been updated to hardly use any system resources whilst running.
To people who say it stops them installing stuff or connecting to the net
Turn off Auto Protect while you do whatever the first time and when installed or net connected turn it on again It will recognize and allow future usage.
If that doesnt work turn off your firewall for a few minutes.
Avast is a most intrusive program and if you think Nortons is hard to get rid of try deleting that.
To those using FREE versions all I can say is you get what you pay for.
To those running two antivirus programs That will slow thing down even more as they fight each other for supremecy.
I have run Nortons for at least 6 years and also run Spybot
Search and destroy and Adaware Spyware checkers.
I have only had 1 virus which sneaked in on a Pirate program.
After fixing computers for several years I have found the most common fault is
the connection of the mouse to the chair LOL
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 23:14
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 23:14
PC user mag DEC 2009
Microsoft Security Essentials
Antivirus detection Rate 98.44%
Adware/spyware detection Rate 90.85%
Dynamic malware detection Rate None.
Notron Internet Security 2010
Antivirus detection Rate 99.75%
Adware/spyware detection Rate 99.14%
Dynamic malware detection Rate 80%
There is others but I'm not typing them in, I'm a Norton user so maybe bias, but I'm sure Doug's inderpendant test will be right,, LOL..
Cheers
Richard
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 23:33
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 23:33
Pleased to have some backup and I know how hard it is to get rid of Nortons and if you dont know which registry keys to look for it will still have bits there.
Also in Common files and other
places.
Do a file
search for Nortons and see what turns up.
A friend in
Brisbane had bought NIS2008 and bought a new subscription then this year tried to update it.
The thing is it updates definitions but not the program. Then 2010 wouldnt update 2008 program.
Took two weeks of emails to fix that by remote control.
Luckily if you know where to look there is a cleaner that will do it if you know what to do.
Nothing else works.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 23:40
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 23:40
Graham
I have 3 desktops and a laptop running all different models of Norton. I only run Antivirus, and just know how to clean most other thing.
I have 3 other desktops and another laptop, all running different brands of AV, but they are manly backups or low usage computers, the one's I trust all run Norton.
Cheers
Richard
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris & Debbie (QLD) - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 19:25
Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 19:25
Graham
I also agree with you on Nortons and have never had problem with it.
If people are having a problem it's because they do not know how to set
up the program properly. But then they could use Norton 360 which basically automates the set-up, nice and easy to use.
Nortons did have a very resource hungry version a few years ago but has
long since been updated.
It makes me laugh at times when some say that they have a free program
that must be good as it picks up virus's that a program they paid for did not.
This is because a lot of those free programs give false indications that a virus
is present.
Spy-bot is a classic for this with its anti-spyware, finding all this spyware that
actually never existed.
Chris
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 20:12
Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 20:12
Spybot is an excellent program and to say it picks up stuff that doesnt exist is plainly a stupid comment.
How can something find a nonexistant entity.
Spybot has been around for a few years and along with Adaware keeps my machine spyware free.
They would be the pick of the spyware removers and BEWARE because some of the others are spyware themselves.
Have played with computers since ATARI days so have a fair grasp on whats what.
Spent several years as a tech so seen most things.
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Follow Up By: BrettExpanda - Monday, Dec 07, 2009 at 11:59
Monday, Dec 07, 2009 at 11:59
Norton 360 is what I use. It is very quick (one of the quickest by a long way) and has an extremely light footprint (i.e. light on resources).
Very friendly to use as well. I would recommend it.
NOTE: this is quite different for versions on Nortons 2+ years ago which were resource hogs.
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Reply By: Member - Allan B (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 20:30
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 20:30
No problems.....
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Reply By: snapper49 - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 20:38
Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 20:38
AVG FREE never a problem and always updating itself
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Reply By: Member - Sigmund (VIC) - Sunday, Dec 06, 2009 at 12:30
Sunday, Dec 06, 2009 at 12:30
Look
HEREfor useful lists and reviews of freeware, inc. security.
What I've learned is that some systems are incompatible with some programs so some trial and error may be needed.
We have 3 PCs at home and have run Trend Micro for several years. But at the last renewal one machine hung and the entire OS was trashed. After a day's work doing a complete reinstall, there was still a comms driver missing. Despite having online support for it, the prob couldn't be sorted and I then had to run cable under the house to the router.
I'm also heartily sick of the TM renewal nags and will prob go with the Norton suite shortly.
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