Ford Explorer Out of Control Today

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Reminds me of a scene out of Irobots..!

Cruise control terror for freeway driverROBYN GRACE
December 15, 2009 - 6:19PM
A terrified 22-year-old driver thought he was going to die when a jammed cruise control trapped him in his four-wheel drive for half an hour as it raced along the Eastern Freeway.

In a scene reminiscent of thriller blockbuster Speed, the Ford Explorer’s cruise control got stuck as he attempted to take the Burke Road exit in Melbourne’s north-east about 12.40pm.

‘‘The person I spoke to at Ford service said the key wasn’t moving because it was driving in the wrong gear,’’ he told 3AW.

‘‘At first he said ‘don’t drive the car because it’s dangerous’ and I said ‘well, that’s kind of the problem - I’m actually in the car and I cannot stop it’.’’

As the traffic got heavier, Chase hung up and called Triple-O, where a police sergeant helped calm the scared motorist as the Ford sped along the freeway.

‘‘She asked me to again try turning the ignition off, put the car in neutral, put your whole body weight on the footbrake,’’ Chase told 3AW.

‘‘When I did that the car slowed to 80km/h but then the footbrake just became stiff, it wouldn’t go any further. So it was like I had no brakes,’’ he said.

‘‘The police sergeant told me to straight away put my hazards on and stay in the emergency lane.

‘‘It was a bit scary because every now and then you’d come up to someone sitting in the emergency lane talking on their mobile.’’

Police arrived quickly, with two cars under sirens and lights driving ahead of the tearaway four-wheel-drive to clear traffic.

‘‘Pretty much that’s all they could do until I reached Frankston and that’s just when I saw three or four lanes of traffic that wasn’t moving very fast and I’m doing 100 and I just said to her 'I’m going to die'.

‘‘And I just put all my weight on that footbrake, swerved on the wrong side of the road to avoid running into the back of everyone including other police cars, went over the concrete road island, bounced a bit.’’

Chase also pulled on the handbrake, bringing the car to a halt outside the Monash University Peninsula campus - and just half a metre away from a head-on collision.

The 22-year-old, who is now recovering in Frankston Hospital, said he suffered some whiplash, and shock.

Police have taken the Ford for inspection.

‘‘Which I’m fine with,’’ the driver laughed.

Ford Australia public relations manager Sinead McAlary said Ford had not experienced anything like this before.

‘‘We will be making contact with the driver as soon as possible to learn more about what took place and then get access to his vehicle to investigate the matter further," she said.

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Reply By: DIO - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 18:36

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 18:36
Not really worth commenting on.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark G Gulmarrad - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 18:43

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 18:43
you did
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 18:50

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 18:50
:)
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Reply By: Member -Tukka (WA) - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 18:36

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 18:36
Bugger that
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Reply By: oldpop - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 18:47

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 18:47
Wouldn't you reckon when put in neutral with throttle jammed wide open wouldn't the exploder just explode and leave metal bits over free way sounds like the Lexus in Texas story that was on the net a while ago

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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 18:57

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 18:57
It'd look even better at night, after all it is Christmas ;)

On the news story he said he finally stopped it by putting his foot on the brake and pulling the hand brake on at the same time.
Well HELLO, wouldn't that be the first thing you'd do, besides knocking it into neutral?




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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 20:43

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 20:43
If you listened to his interview, it wouldn't go to neutral, the computer had locked it out. He was actually on the phone to Ford trying to solve the problem before he rang '000'.
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 21:22

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 21:22
Your right Shaker, I didn't listen to ALL the Interview.
I only heard bits of it, My house is a VERY noisy place at 6 o'clock of an evening with three young kids screaming to be feed.
One thing that doesn't make sense is, why would you ring Ford before 000?
So he's had some time to think about somethings then?
Still scratching my head about that one.
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Follow Up By: Naviguesser - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 21:23

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 21:23
There is no ECU controlling the gear selector.
You simply push the button on the R/H side of the selector to allow the (mechanical) selector to move into neutral.

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 00:01

Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 00:01
According to the interview, the button is locked out when in cruise control.
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Reply By: Member - Malcolm (Townsville) - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 19:16

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 19:16
and, for all those younger drivers out there, whatever you do DON'T TURN THE IGNITION KEY OFF - It locks the steering !!

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Follow Up By: Lex M (Brisbane) - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 19:21

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 19:21
Must be a ford thing. Toyota you have to pull the key out.
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Follow Up By: Member - Timbo - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 20:46

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 20:46
I'd have thought that would be the case with all cars, Lex. At least, it's been the case for all cars I've ever driven... regardless, turning back to accessories (not even to OFF) shouldn't engage the steering lock but should still stop the engine.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 20:59

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 20:59
Unless it's an EXTREMELY old car (i.e before designers realised how extremely dangerous it would be) the steering won't lock until you REMOVE the key.
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 21:15

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 21:15
But not if its its one of the new "keyless" models where stopping the engine locks the steering!!!
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Follow Up By: Lex M (Brisbane) - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 22:44

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 22:44
Like in the US Toyota and Lexus problem with jamming accelerator pedal.

http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota/toyota-consumer-safety-advisory-102572.aspx

Has killed people.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1893-News-You-Can-Use-Examiner~y2009m9d29-Toyota-and-Lexus-floor-mat-recall

Believe you have to press the start/stop switch for 3 seconds to overide the lockouts when moving.

And they're now going to mod the system so the brake pedal overides the fly-by-wire accelerator. DUH.

Sounds like the software was outsourced to mickeysoft......



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Follow Up By: Member - Malcolm (Townsville) - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 23:20

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 23:20
Thanks for the info guys. I think it was my Patrol that locked the steering with the key off. Cruise control released as soon as you touched the brake.

I just went outside to test the D-MAX. Can still turn steering even with no key - no locking. Good. I think.

But Bummer! I just found none of my interior lights are working. Must be a blown fuse.

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Follow Up By: Member - Timbo - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:33

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:33
"they're now going to mod the system so the brake pedal overides the fly-by-wire accelerator"

Lex, you can't do that! All the two-foot-drivers (ie. those who drive with right foot on accelerator and left foot on brake) will not be able to go anywhere! ;-)
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Follow Up By: Off-track - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 19:57

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 19:57
Easily overcome if steering locks in OFF position;

turn ignition OFF then turn key to ACC.

If he was going in a straight line then it wouldnt matter too much if the steering locked anyway providing you hit the picks.
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Reply By: Member - Kroozer (WA) - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 20:30

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 20:30
Pretty stupid if ya ask me. Put vehicle in nuetral, not that hard. Apply brakes, and turn vehicle to accesories. Not that hard really, wonder if they will do him for talking on a mobile while driving. after all, the law IS the law.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 20:44

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 20:44
You also obviously also didn't hear the interview! Both transmission & ignition were locked out by the ECU.





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Follow Up By: Member - Kroozer (WA) - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 23:05

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 23:05
How? So shifting something into neutral manually wont do anything? I would think this would be a stupid design, i dont understand how and why it would be designed this way.
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Follow Up By: Lex M (Brisbane) - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 23:41

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 23:41
Welcome to the brave new world of electronically controlled vehicles where the electronics decide whether it will allow you to do that or not.........

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 09:19

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 09:19
Kroozer, you shouldn't pass judgement until you understand the facts, apparently the transmission selector lock button locks when in cruise control, as does the ignition lock.
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Reply By: Member - Timbo - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 20:49

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 20:49
‘‘when I saw three or four lanes of traffic that wasn’t moving very fast and I’m doing 100 and I just ... swerved on the wrong side of the road to avoid running into the back of everyone...’’

Hmm, run up the back of a slower vehicle or risk a head on with a vehicle coming 100km/h the other way?! I would hope most people wouldn't choose the head-on risk like this guy did...
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 20:59

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 20:59
That can be scary - the Patrols (manual 2002) models like mine have a logical flaw in there programming of the cruise control , such that it revs the engine flat out on re-engaging the cruise as they forgot to take into account the manual gearbox neutral sensor.

I.E. you cruise along , throw car into neutral which disconnects cruise - then when you press "resume" the engine instantly red-lines , fortunately it has a rev limiter , makes for a fun experience the first few times it happens.
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Follow Up By: StormyKnight - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 22:49

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 22:49
Similar thing on a VE commodore automatic, knock it into neutral with the cruise on it will just rev to redline....

I haven't tried it on the Prado......the commodore was a work car :)
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 23:23

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 23:23
From what I could gather from the interview, the Explorer must have a gear lever & ignition lock out.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 00:10

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 00:10
scratching my head Robin, trying to work out why it would be a good idea to do that?....

"the first few times it happens."
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Follow Up By: Lex M (Brisbane) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 00:21

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 00:21
It's obvious.

So you can't accidently knock it out of gear or switch it off and create a dangerous situation.......
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Follow Up By: Lex M (Brisbane) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 00:24

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 00:24
Or more likely whoever programmed the ecu worked on the basis that nothing will go wrong go wrong go wrong go wrong go wrong
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 07:41

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 07:41
It is simply a mistake in the programming - the car knows when you put it in neutral and disables cruise but it was forgotten to check that it is in gear before allowing a resume.


Surprized VE does that to as its a volumne seller on the other hand we had a (VK?) my first and almost only and it had the fun ability to allow itself to be put into reverse at speed , did it once at 60kph and the car instantly swapped ends .
Whle I have made the Patrol mistake a few times , I only ever made the mistake once with the Commodore, and once was enough!
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 08:47

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 08:47
So Robin,
Correct me if I've read this wrong please......

You have a manual. You're driving along at 100k/h (say) with cruise engaged. You place the trans into neutral......do you use the clutch to do this? If so, then (on the cruise control ...AP60... which I fitted to my Patrol) the clutch switch disables the cruise on my rig. If, however, you are in the habit of knocking your Patrol out of gear without touching the clutch or brake, then (as Pauline would say)....please explain? hahahaha...This latter method is the only way my cruise would stay enabled and cause the engine to red-line....but that would be at the time of going INTO neutral, not resuming speed after another gear was selected....

I'm confused.....(but nothing unusual about that)....hahaha
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 08:55

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 08:55
Hi Roachie

Operation is.

Driving along at 100 cruise on.

Using clutch put into neutral. (car disengages cruise).

Then press resume and engines red-lines

(thankfully it has a rev limiter set at 5500rpm.)


Happens more than it should with me because I like to roll in neutral when I can.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 09:08

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 09:08
Putting it in reverse at 60 kph? Sure a lockout would be a safety feature, but what about a manual? If someone would try it in an auto, probably they'd try it in a manual as well? (putting it in reverse at 60kph).

Electronically controlled engines actually use more juice coasting than with the engine in gear, as they shut fuel off completely when spinning faster than they need to be where old engines continued to supply idle juice.
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Reply By: harryopal - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 23:15

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 23:15
I haven an '87 Toyota Landcruiser and a number of prejudices.
One is computers as part of the control mechanism in running cars... or aeriplanes for that matter... remember the Air France aircraft from Brazil falling out of the sky? It seems the smarter computers get the more opportunities for things going seriously wrong.
Another prejudice is electrically controlled windows. Flooding in an underpass in Melbourne not so long ago and a bloke in a 4WD couldn't get out because the electrics had failed.
This story just confirms me in my aspiration to stay with my old Toyota as long as it keeps running.
Ohh yes.... and Fords. I don't trust them either.
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Follow Up By: Lex M (Brisbane) - Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 23:44

Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 at 23:44
I agree totally. That guy in the Ford may take some convincing though... :-)
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Follow Up By: harryopal - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 00:42

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 00:42
I can't fault the logic in what you say but prejudices are hard to shake and few things are more satisfying than being confirmed in your prejudice.
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 00:53

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 00:53
These new fandangle motor cars will never be popular!

Give a me a horse and cart, that's something a man can understand,

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 06:50

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 06:50
Will be interesting to see if we ever find out what really went on with this car.

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:39

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Just to fill in the post that was moderated above (Sorry) because I said something slightly rude.
Here it is again without the rude bit. :-))

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Saves me writing to the Moderators and asking for it to be re instaited without the rude bit :-)
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Millions of planes fly everyday with fly by wire and other computer controls, very few fall out of the sky.

Hundreds of millions of cars are on the roads everyday also computer managed to some degree, very few have issues.

The likelihood of dying because of a computer or electronic failure is pretty remote to say the least.
I would hazard to guess that you have more chance of dying from a lightening strike or croc attack.
Sometimes $$$$ happens, but not enough to loose sleep over.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:07

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I didn't think the imposed word was regarded as too foul in Australia these days, after all we seem to hear much worse on free to air TV these days.

I imposed the $ so that it still made sense and was done in a light hearted Aussie way with no offence directed at anyone.

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Follow Up By: Member - Timbo - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:55

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It's an interesting point about the aeroplanes because there was some apprehension about going fly-by-wire technology. The thing is, that with modern large airliners, even with a direct connection between the controls and the flaps, rudder etc. a person simply wouldn't have the strength required to be able to move the controls without the electronics - ever tried using the brakes in a modern car when there's no power assist available? Now compare the size of your car to a modern airliner!

Of course, aeroplanes are built to very different standards to a car with many redundancies built into most systems, primarily because 'coasting to a stop' or 'stopping on the side of the road' aren't options at 10,000m!
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Follow Up By: Top End Explorer - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 20:37

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Follow Up By: Off-track - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 20:52

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Not exactly correct Timbo. Up until FFBW and still current on most commercial aircraft in the sky (all Boeing up until 777 are fly by cable) are the use of hydromechanical primary and secondary flight controls. FFBW just replaces the mechanical link (cables/rods/tubes/bellcranks etc) between the pilot's controls and the hydraulic actuators.

Secondary flight controls like flaps arent so much affected by aerodynamic loads felt through the control by the pilot because they operate without the need for force-feedback and generally when you lose the multiple-redundant hydraulic systems (pretty bad day) you will lose flap control and actuation.

Basically, the hydraulic systems do the work and so if you lose hydraulics in either FFBW or mechanical controls you lose control of the aircraft. (Not entirely true either as many aircraft have mechanical override so as to bypass the hydraulic boost actuators in the even of hydraulic loss - becomes very difficult to move controls though with limited range of movement).
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 20:57

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 20:57
GEOFF!!,..... Except for a bloody stubborn horse!....LOL.

Can't work them out.



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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 21:08

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 21:08
Axle,
Isn't a stubborn horse called dog food?

Bloody silly things they are!

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 21:10

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 21:10
Cheers Steve
I've heard about that German TV :-)

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Follow Up By: Member - Timbo - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 21:49

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 21:49
Ok thanks Off-Track. I actually meant the flaps on the wings/tail for steering and flight control (not sure what they're called) rather than the "flaps" for maintaining lift at lower speeds.

Perhaps I should have more accurately said "there *IS* some apprehension about going fly-by-wire technology"?!

I was also chatting to a friend who designs steering bits for cars and he was saying that most cars now have electric power steering (rather than hydraulic) so they're just one step away from steering-by-wire - not surprisingly, there is further apprehension about this. He says if they could implement steering-by-wire it would open up a whole range of options for car/suspension/steering design because they wouldn't have a steering column going through getting in the way.

And BTW: If this site ever descends to the same censoring 'standard' as free-to-air TV, I'll do the filtering myself the same way I do with the TV: switch it off.
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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 06:53

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"Ford Australia public relations manager Sinead McAlary said Ford had not experienced anything like this before"

Isn't that a line out of the ZD30 Nissan Service handbook??

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:16

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No John, It says Ford, not Nissan hehehehehe
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:47

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:47
Maybe they use the same mob to write the book of "Motor Vehicle Service Department Hand Book Standard Customer Questions and Answers" regardless of make, model or brand. LOL

Customer... My car is broken!

Standard Reply out of Book... Sorry Sir thats never happened before!!

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:50

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hmm on the way home from London I was looking for a flashgun at Singapore and the guy I asked looked totally confused, but his answer was from the same book....

Sorry Sir we just sold the last one yesterday.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:57

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There ya go!! :-)
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:00

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I must have made a mistake.

Sorry Sir we haven't ever heard of that before.
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Reply By: Roughasguts - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:07

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Won't be long before we have a Big Red Emergency stop button on the Dash ! just for this sort of thing.

Nah that would be dangerous as well !
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Reply By: The Landy - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:21

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:21
It'd never happen in a Landy 'Fender... and even if it did, it wouldn't go fast enough to be of any concern........

Tongue firmly in cheek :)
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 19:38

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Landy!, the Deefers are a different type of electrical nightmare!

HAhahaha!.

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Follow Up By: Kiwi100 - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 21:04

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A Landy that would just keep on running? I'd like to see that. ;-)

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Follow Up By: Kiwi100 - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 21:22

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 21:22
I'll never forget one disgruntled Disco owner telling me how he discovered something had fallen off the suspension on his truck. Rather than go back and look for it, he reckoned that if he just kept going he'd be sure to find one that had dropped off another Disco.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:18

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Kiwi100

I heard the same story, but I understand it had nothing to do with the vehicle, but was his Missus...apparently. ;)
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Reply By: Member - Flynnie (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 22:22

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 22:22
Fascinating thread. I listened to the audio today and found it most revealing. Much more detailed than the short text quotes. I intended to post a link to the story but could not do it. It is on the ABC website and is easy to find.

It is well worth a listen.

A scary experience.

I listened to it carefully and could not fault what the driver had done. No one was killed or injured and no serious property damage. Good effort under the circumstances.

For those with perfect 20/20 hindsight who have so dissected and cast judgement on the poor driver maybe just maybe if he had a CB he could have caught the attention of a B double or semi driver going in the same direction and arranged to run up the back of it at maybe a speed difference of 5 k an hour and then the truck driver could have slowed down and stopped.

Yeah, well, ahh! I will remember that if it ever happens to me. And it could as we have a similar Territory at work that I sometimes drive.

Flynnie
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 00:00

Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 00:00
I heard the whole thing & agree with you, but as you can see , the world is full of experts!

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Follow Up By: ChrisE - Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 05:38

Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 05:38
Won't happen in a Territory...no lock out on the auto in D...can nudge it up into N from D at any time and that will cut out the cruise....try it so you can sleep at night...

I am surprised they didn't use a cop car in front (especially as there was one driving next to it) or one of the vic roads vans that they use to push cars off the road. One stuffed cop car or vicroads van much better than what could have been. Very lucky he didn't take anyone out.
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