UHF antenna

Hi,

Ive done a little research and am still a little confused.

I have UHF with one of those twirly wire arials. I,m looking to fix one of the large white fibre glass ones. I beleive the twirly wire one is good around the city. and hilly areas while the larger white fibre glass ones are great for flat country.

My questions are these.

1: Is what Ive outlined above correct?

2: Is it possible to have both arials? (Interchangeable?)

Appreciate comments on this.

Thax
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Reply By: Rob! - Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 16:07

Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 16:07
1. not necessarily
2. yes
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Follow Up By: Rob! - Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 16:26

Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 16:26
to follow up.

Generally car UHF antenas come as 3dB, 4.5dB, 6dB and 9dB.

Imagine you had huge balloon and you pinched it in the middle so that the two opposisite sides touch (so it looks a bit like a doughnut.) It's kind of round except for the pinch in the middle.
That is the range of a 3.5dB antenna. It's almost the same in all directions.

Now if you were to flatten the balloon between two horizontal planes so it's squashed in the vertical plane but allowed to stretch in the horizontal. You still have a doughnut shape. It's not as high but goes out further.
This is the range of your 4.5/6dB antenna.

Now if you were to squash it further between the two horizontal plains. As hard as you can so it's almost completely flat in the vertical but spreads really far in the horizontal plane.
This is the range of your 9dB antenna.

As you can see a 9dB antenna will have greater range (horizontally) but only if it is dead vertical. As soon as it is tilted (like going up a hill or on rough terrain) your transmission will go high up in the sky and down into the ground. A reciever on the other side of the hill is unlikely to pick you up.

So. A 3dB is great in hilly country (but the range is limited) and a 9dB is great for flat country (but the antenna has to be dead straight)

I have a 6db and a 9db that I use.

There are other issues to consider like, ground indepenance, strength, flexibility, location etc. but I'm sure other will explain further.

All the best.
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Reply By: Member -Signman - Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 16:11

Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 16:11
Answer to 2)
Not readily interchangeable, as the 'mounts' for both are very different.

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Follow Up By: rare - Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 16:22

Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 16:22
Yeah thats what I thought.

I notice a number of 4x4 have two arials fitted. Is it possible to have two arials for the one radio???
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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Wednesday, Jun 02, 2010 at 09:09

Wednesday, Jun 02, 2010 at 09:09
The 'other' antenna is probably for cell-phone !! Looks very similar to a UHF one.



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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 16:59

Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 16:59
Get a GME 1018K and you wont have any probs

The big long white ones are generally referred to as W ******** aerials

Usually seen on utes covered in Bundy signs.

Also not to good going under low parking buildings


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Follow Up By: Lex M (Brisbane) - Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 19:41

Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 19:41
Where do I get the Bundy signs?
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 20:05

Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 20:05
Off of utes...haven't you been listening LOL

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 20:10

Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 20:10
Dunno maybe they give you them when you buy the aerial or vice versa.

You also need one of those forward angled bullbars off a Mack to mount them on preferably one on each side.
And a dirty white cowboy hat.
And a scruffy blonde.
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 20:17

Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 20:17
I reckon they hand them out at the B&S Balls with the ear tags and Conargo pub stickers....LOL
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 22:22

Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 22:22
Where do ya get the scuffy blonde?
GU RULES!!

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Jun 02, 2010 at 07:54

Wednesday, Jun 02, 2010 at 07:54
You have to do something for yourself, so look around Lots to pick from LOL.
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Reply By: Rangiephil - Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 17:03

Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 17:03
Huh?
I have a 4DB ( black fibreglass) and a 7 Db ( Black fibreglass) with exactly the same screw mount.

You can have a antennas if you can be bothered to change over the plug at the radio, or there is probably a splitter available, but why bother, just buy 2 antennas with the same mount system.
I have never used my 7Db , as you usually can get adequate reception while in convoy from a 4Db.
Regards Philip A
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Reply By: Cruiser 2091 - Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 17:09

Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 17:09
Hi Rare.
Some years back I experimented with all types of antenna including those you mention and the descriptions above about range are theoritically correct.

For testing I soldered the same fitting on each so my antennae are easily interchangeable. From a practical point of view I simply leave the one with the wiggly bit in the middle on all the time
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It's hard to see any benefit while driving around from the others however their length is quite ofter a problem, meaning that the real high ones often need to be removed.

It's only UHF which has it's limitations anyway so for car to car use the general antenna is all you need.

Best regards
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Reply By: blue one - Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 18:23

Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 18:23
Rare,
There are all sorts of variables with this issue. On a practical side when we were in the channel country we could talk to friends 22kms away. I only use a 6 db s/s whip as I also use it as a measure for u/g carparks. If the whip fits in we go.
I also use the 6db in the hills and it's not too bad.

Cheers

Steve
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 18:23

Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 18:23
The twirly wire one you have mentioned can be as good as a big "wanky" fibreglass pole fitted to the bull bar.

As long as the top is higher than the roof line it will get you as good a reception as any other one.
The greater difference between antennas is the db rating of them.
If your antenna is a 6db rating (my twirly wire one is) it will give you good performance in all terrains.

Don't think that a big white (or black) pole will necessarily give you a longer range or better performance, as this is not necessarily the case.


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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 20:13

Tuesday, Jun 01, 2010 at 20:13
The last thing I need is to listen to every idiot within a 30km radius.
I use little, indestructable, cheap, 1/2 or 3/4 wave rubber antennaes. They give excellent, clear reception for around 10km in most terrain.
I carry a long, fancy, 9dbi gain antennae (that fits the same base) for long range emergencies. I have never used it.

Cheers,
peter
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Reply By: olcoolone - Wednesday, Jun 02, 2010 at 16:41

Wednesday, Jun 02, 2010 at 16:41
Don't read to much in to UHF antenna dB gains, just use a good quality 4 to 6dB one.

Unless you want to be changing antennas every 10 minutes.....so you can get the optimum performance.

In a mobile situation whilst driving I doubt whether you would be able tell the difference between a 4dB and 9dB antenna.

It's funny to see people rave about this antenna gain and that antenna gain only to compromise it by mounting it in a non optimum position.

In a mobile environment everything is a compromise.
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