GVM adds up Does yours?

Unacceptable language Nutta.

Take it elsewhere.

Are you serious Gone Bush?

Just for an interest, what part?

Oh, and please reply!

I don't think it is acceptable to use the "Christ" like you have.

If you used the word "Muhammed" like that some "nutter" would issue a fatwa against you, and in the interests of equality, since we live in a largely Christian country, we should show the same respect.

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Guys, Gone Bush has made his point and Nutta you've had a chance to reply. Please dont let this deteriorate into a slanging match. Personal attack posts have been removed. Play nice OK!

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To be honest I'm having trouble comprehending how it's blown out of proportion, but anyway.

3,900 kg on a vehicle with a GVM of 3,300 kg. No wonder you are a little worried. A GVM upgrade to carry your weight would probably incur an extra axle.

Gone bush,
I apologise, I read it wrong and couldn't see anything wrong with the language

Gone bush, most would have missed that, I did, but now everybody is aware.
sometimes it is best to leave sleeping dogs lye.
That's the best thing about us christians we don't get precious about every little thing do we.
Cheers, Bruce.

Doesn't change trhe GVM....................

Dick

That is a registered weighbridge weight

chhers

Bungarra

Yes I am sure you would not have quoted it otherwise.Mine was also from a registered weighbridge. Your figure just seems too high for what you say is in the vehicle.

Am sure another V8 79 Series owner will soon reply with some weights.

Gone Bush do you still have any weights from your lovely red V8.

Mick O, any weights before you loaded it up?

Dick

Dick

Not sure why you seem intent to question the weight. I dont have a problem with it as it is perfectly plausible

I listed the main components that immediately came to mind. ...bits and pieces also add up as we all know....... my tools for example are a mechanics smorgasbord of delight.....but they are no use home in the workshop

my post was along the lines to demonstrate to others that sometimes we do weigh more than we realise...........

I have every confidence in that weighbridge weight......a local one I use regularly for loads that are charged for and it is correct

Bungarra

I think you have misunderstood my comments and I do apologise if you think I was questioning you weight is a hostile manner, it was certainly not my intent to do so.

I probably should not have commented as I do not have a new 79 Series to compare.

Dick

Bundarra

Sorry for the typo's. Forget to Spell check.

I meant to say,

I think you have misunderstood my comments and I do apologise if you think I was questioning your weight in a hostile manner, it was certainly not my intent to do so.

I probably should not have commented as I do not have a new 79 Series to compare.

Dick

no worries Dick.......just needed you all to know the weight is unfortunately what it is!

My LC79 V8 tips the scales over 3.5T depending what's in it. I upgraded the suspension to increase the GVM when purchased. I drove the 80 series over the GVM for too long, when given the chace to play safe i did.
Alex

Hi Flynnie

The canopy is a Boston aluminium canopy that was meant to save weight.....but you are right in as much that the fit out of marine ply roller drawers ect they all ad up.

My weight is the worst case scenerio as you correctly said you can shave off some 150 kg quite soon as the GVM fully loaded at the beginning of the trip is soon eroded with one tank of fuel (90kg) and water consumables etc running down after day one

It has been an interesting exercise weighing all items and reassessing the need to carry

either way a GVM upgrade is planned ASAP

cheers

Hi Flynnie

How are the brakes mate?

From this thread it seems that the Steel Tray is probably the real killer on the new 79 Series. I previously had a 2006 HZJ79 with a tray built for the mines. I think it might have weighed 400kg.

I increased the GVM on the 79 Series and my present 78 Series with a TJM upgrade and had no problem getting it accepted by the RTA in Newcastle. Neither were new. Without the GVM upgrade the vehicles are not really ready for a long remote area trip unless you want to operate overweight. I did not want to do that.

My present Troopy seems much better off than the 79 Series as fully equipped but not loaded with gear it is only 3,120kg with about 200lt fuel on board so with a GVM of 3,700kg I have 580kg available for my gear and myself. More than enough.

I have a fuel capacity of 270lt and if I have to I can add another 100lt in two tanks. I can carry 170lt of water. I never fill the fuel or water to full capacity unless I have to, and I do this at the last stop before going remote.

Dick

Bungarra

When I mentioned a custom aluminium body would be lighter I meant using something like a Roscos BA2

Link to BA2 info

By doing it as one custom unit instead of separate tray and canopy some weight saving can be made. This does not suit me, at this time, as I need the tray for other things but I may switch to something like it in future years. If getting one I would have it no wider than the cabin.

Dick

Those brakes! Thanks for the info on Hoppers Stoppers. One day I may get them. I had the brakes rebuilt by the Toyota dealer at Tamworth. It was already booked in for a service. They would not let it leave without the brakes being repaired!

I reckon a lot of steel trays are far too heavy. Some appear to be built with no regard at all for weight. I have a heavy duty steel factory tray and it looks a lot lighter than most of the trays I see around the place. Doing it again I may have gone for a custom tray a bit narrower and perhaps a bit shorter but no heavier.

It is just possible to do long desert trips without overloading. When I prepared for the Canning Stock Route trip this year I allowed for an extra 180 litres of fuel in 9 jerry cans plus 140 litres of water in two Gough 70 litre undertray tanks. About 40 litres of additional water was carried in containers. The vehicle would have been around GVM fully loaded, possibly a bit over. Packing was a bit on the austere side with not much in the way of creature comforts. I did pack a Coleman Hot Water On Demand shower plus a big fridge/freezer with beer and ice cream. Austerity is relative! My current profile photo shows the cruiser near Well 38 sitting pretty level. It would have nearly full water on board in that photo. The jerry cans were emptied the day before when the fuel in them was sold to southbound travellers. Before that the cruiser was a bit tail heavy. My vehicle was one of the more lightly packed ones out there. I was amazed at the gear people would pack on to roof racks and anywhere else it would fit.

After the trip I sorted the gear and found there were a quite a few things that could have been left behind. Put them on my "do not take list" so I won't forget and pack them again "just in case".

Flynnie

Flynnie

Agree about the loads some people take. It just amazes me to see a roof rack with two or three big space cases strapped on them as one has to assume they have something substantial in them.

I recently removed a full length TJM Steel Roof Rack from the Troopy. It was 85kg and I felt I did not need it that badly. Next thing to go may be the Black Widow drawers. They are lovely units but they weigh about 90kg which is 90kg wasted.

I am looking hard at what else I can eliminate to save weight. There is no doubt that the lighter you can have the vehicle the less chance there is of something breaking. I still carry the high lift jack which is heavy but I figure I may need it one day. I carry one 70L evaCool fridge and only essential clothing and food. I always carry an additional 1 week of food and water stored separately. I am reluctant to reduce the tools and the spares I carry and also the recovery gear.

My aim is to get the weight back to about 3,300kg loaded but without me and the wife.

I have always cooked with Gas but now looking at moving to a dual fuel stove instead to eliminate the gas cylinders when travelling without the camper.

Dick

Dick

Took a new Coleman dual fuel two burner stove with me on the Canning this year. I am very pleased with it. I had my old one burner Coleman dual fuel stove along as backup but it was never used.

Went of lpg gas years ago when I had trouble getting cylinders refilled at holiday time. Also much prefer the certainty of knowing how much fuel you have with you rather than guesstimating LPG.

I only ever use Shellite or Coleman fuel (more or less the same thing) and never petrol. I don't like the smell of petrol and less maintenance issues with using the other fuel.

A dual fuel stove would shave some kilos off the load.

Flynnie

How right you are Tony,

I think Toyota has missed the point lately and have had a golden opportunity to stick it up their nearest competitor and put a vehicle on the road with a REALISTIC GVM for the 21st century.

In my case, the LC200 with 3300GVM is nonsensical and the GVM upgrade reduces the GCM by the increase in GVM so, if towing a heavy van, then you have probably just reduced your towing capacity below that of the van ATM...illegal to tow.

Toyota should have made the LC200 with a GVM AND towing capacity of at least 4000kg. The damn thing is big and ugly enough.

It is the reason a lot of people bite the bullet and by an F truck, the latest one can tow up to 20,000lb (+/- 8000kg). Their GVM also means you have a payload of something like 2000kg, evem more if you buy the cab chassis,...so come on Toyota....!!!

I can tell you that, if I had my way, I will be buying a Kedron Top Ender with all the bells and whistles and that will take it above 3500kg and I will then have to get an F truck or Chev Silverado to tow it...just have to convince the Minister for Finance.

Hi Steve

Thanks for that...from what you say it seems to confirm that a big part of my weight is the steel tray component.......if I take off the 150kg and allow for a few extras I know I have then we are approaching something closer to yours

either way it goes to show you how easy it is to go over the GVM of 3300 as standard