Another park bites the dust.

Submitted: Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 09:14
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I am currently staying at the Grand Pines Caravan Park at Ramsgate Beach Sydney – it is run down, and has had no money spent on its maintenance for some time. I recently found out that they have made an application for a unit redevelopment for the site. State governments should legislate to stop councils approving these redevelopments, unless they are replaced with another park.
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 09:30

Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 09:30
So I guess thats the answer to your other thread.

I would have thought from those comments you would be pleased to see it go.




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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:42

Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:42
Yep I wouldn’t have stayed here twice but it saves me the trouble of reporting it to Badgers.
I was a bit cheesed off in my last thread, about the 3.5 star rating that the NRMA gave it.
The NRMA answered me saying that they weren’t responsible and they took their ratings from another company’s ratings – What’s happened to responsibility, credibility, good business practice, reputation etc? - I give up!
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Follow Up By: BadgerOne - Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 13:04

Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 13:04
AAA Tourism runs the STAR rating system through it's affiliate Star Ratings Australia on behalf of the Australian (and New Zealand) auto clubs -> http://www.starratings.com.au/
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Follow Up By: BadgerOne - Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 13:18

Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 13:18
AAA Tourism runs the STAR rating system through it's affiliate Star Ratings Australia on behalf of the Australian (and New Zealand) auto clubs -> http://www.starratings.com.au/
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Reply By: The Landy - Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 09:58

Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 09:58
But here’s the problem, this park probably pays a ‘squillion dollars’ in rates to the local council each year and nobody wants to pay any more than $10 a night with full amenities.....something has to give.

Caravan Parks on the coast, as we know them from 20 years ago, are finished....

Cheers, The Landy
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 10:02

Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 10:02
As a resort owner till recently its not only the rates but the LAND TAX as well.

Was staying in a park last year that their auto boom gate had packed up.

It was a bit ancient and they simply werent going to replace it as to do so

meant having to abide by a whole new set of rules and would have cost them

about $7000.

A lot of $25's a night just to pay for that.

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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:44

Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:44
This park is charging $45 a night over the holiday period
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 14:46

Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 14:46
Hi Dennis

Not surprised, my point is though that it probably doesn't provide a return that justifies remaining a caravan park. This is why coastal caravan parks are run down and looking to convert to other uses.......

There was a discussion in here recently about self-contained motorhomes not wanting to pay much to stay in Caravan Parks as they don't require all the facilities or services, and therein lies the problem. No return will eventually equal no caravan parks.

Cheers, The Landy
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 16:03

Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 16:03
I don't know what their solution is –for some parks it’s a feast or famine situation.
A lot are either half empty part of the year or fully booked on school holidays festivals etc.
But I’ve also struck some well run parks that are always near capacity.
If you ever go to Cains – call into the Lake Placid Caravan Park – Its one of the best I’ve seen – it’s near full at anytime of the year. You pay top dollar but I don’t object to that for top facilities.
Merry Xmas
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Reply By: rocco2010 - Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 10:42

Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 10:42
Gidday

News from the west this week is that another park on the outskirts of Mandurah is to close, with the permanent residents being given the required six months notice. It seems it will be another victim of the urban sprawl into the Peel region.

Cheers

Rocco

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Reply By: Hairy (WA) - Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:54

Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:54
Gday,
Legislate against them doing what they want with their own land?????
Like it or not, if its their land. its up to them if they want to flog it off.

Cheers

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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 15:40

Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 15:40
That’s not what I said Hairy.
No one would deny them the right to sell it as a caravan park, to any one they wanted. But they have to get approval to redevelop it to different land usage before flogging it. In my opinion caravan parks land usage shouldn’t be changed lightly just so that developers can make a quick buck. But then again I’m biased.
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Follow Up By: Hairy (WA) - Saturday, Dec 25, 2010 at 02:48

Saturday, Dec 25, 2010 at 02:48
Merry Xmas..............
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Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 14:25

Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 14:25
Gawd Dennis that park was run down when I stayed in it for the first 3 or 4 months of me moving to Sydney (back in about 1992). I would be surprised if there has been a dollar spent on it even since then. Was always a dive but were else does one stay down that side of the big smoke. Tis a shame coz it is in a good location and could make a nice stop over if it was looked after and had nice facilities.

Interestingly I was paying $150/week for an onsite van owned by the park way back in 1992. Seems $45 per night isn't too bad this time of year unless you know how bad the park really is LOL!!

Regards, Trevor.
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 15:37

Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 15:37
$45 is the Powered Site fee - I am not in an onsite van.
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Reply By: SDG - Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 19:13

Friday, Dec 24, 2010 at 19:13
It's not only the caravan parks that are going under. Was talking to the caretakers of Mystery Bay last holidays. Craig is not sure where he is going to be in a few years time, as the council that owns the land is having a push in closing the area to campers. The greenies are not helping either. One arguement for closing the area is because of the trees. Many of them are in a position where they need to be pruned/removed. Wind often brings down branches which is well known for gum trees. Greenies say do not touch. Council are thinking along the lines of safety (most likely insurance claims). Who will eventually win? Not those that like bush camping.

Regardless of reason to be closed, most likely will end up in developers hands and they will be the overall winner.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Saturday, Dec 25, 2010 at 00:38

Saturday, Dec 25, 2010 at 00:38
Hi Dennis

If you or i owned the land, we should have the right to do with it as makes us the best income. We are over regulated as it is.

As aforesaid, from your report it is probably a good thing. Maybe they didn't replace run down amenities, knowing their long term plans.

I don't know about in cities, but in country towns, councils run caravan parks at a loss if it is not viable for private enterprise to run a park in the town to provide a service to travellers. They should not be able to tell us what to do with our land - too much of that happening already.

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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Saturday, Dec 25, 2010 at 08:47

Saturday, Dec 25, 2010 at 08:47
I agree with your right to make the best quid you can from your property and I’m an avid capitalist.
But you have to protect the public interest with laws and regulations.
Councillors are notorious for being in the pockets of land developers and real estate agents.
I don’t think they should be able to change the usage of land lightly.
But as I said before I am biased.
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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Saturday, Dec 25, 2010 at 09:16

Saturday, Dec 25, 2010 at 09:16
Dennis,

If Councillors are notorious for being in the pockets of Land Developers and Real Estate Agents then where is all the Corruption charges.

Yet again someone Tarring all Councilliors with the same Brush.

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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Saturday, Dec 25, 2010 at 11:30

Saturday, Dec 25, 2010 at 11:30
Not all - there must be an honest one or two about.
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Reply By: Shaker - Saturday, Dec 25, 2010 at 09:27

Saturday, Dec 25, 2010 at 09:27
Maybe too many people "negotiated" their fees?

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