What is the best portable hot water option?
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Member - Jason B (NSW)
Hey guys
I am after advice as to what is the best portable hot water system, what do you use and do you recommend it?
I have used both the Glind and Power Shower under bonnet heat exchanger type previously and have found them good. I don't have one fitted to the vehicle at present but am considering getting another, but i want to consider all options before investing in another. I have also used various solar showers.
I have just purchase a CT so was wondering how others have done it. Are the portable gas type (Coleman, companion etc) any good?
Its for family of 4, the kids are 2 and 6 years for quick showers etc.
Regards
Reply By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 15:08
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 15:08
Jason,
We have a coleman HWS and a Solar Shower. We use the solar shower and refill it with water warmed from the Coleman, or the Billy on the
camp fire if more water is needed for the girls hair ;)
Cheers Kev
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason B (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 15:17
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 15:17
How do you find the Coleman Kev. Easy to set up?, reliable? do you use their cartriges or hook it up to your bottles?
Thanks for the reply
Regards
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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 15:46
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 15:46
I use the cartridges but I do have the adaptor for my Gas bottles for when I run out.
It is easy to set up but you should do the mod to remove the spring from behind the control knob to make it easier to make adjustments ;)
I have had the Coleman for 3 years now with no major issues, make sure it is fully charged before using it as it shuts down if the internal battery is low ;)
Cheers Kev
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Follow Up By: Jarse - Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 16:50
Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 16:50
We have a Coleman with both bottles & POL line. We're very happy with it and have had no problems in 4 years.
Might need a new battery soon, though.
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Reply By: Kanga1 - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:01
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:01
Hi Jason, we use about a 12 litre pot with lid and a 12 volt shower pump, make the water hot as you like it on the cooker or fire, and can
cook Mud crabs or Cherabin/Yabbies as
well, everything fits in the pot including another gas burner/welding gloves etc, works for us. Cheers, Kanga.
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Follow Up By: Member - Vince B (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 21:45
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 21:45
Hi Kanga.
I previously used a heat exchanger set up for the shower but I now use your method.Works great.
Cheers.
Vince
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Reply By: robmechanic - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:10
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:10
Hi Jason,
We bought the coleman HWOD system and all the accessories (bag, lpg hose, shower head and house hose adapter) for about $420 before the trip to Fraser at new years and even the 'I hate camping' wife said it was the best thing I had bought!
Rob.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason B (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:15
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:15
LOL love it.
My wife doesn't hate camping, but she has a I hate not being able to have a shower attitude. If it were me I would be happy to go for a swim in a river or
dam. But when it come's to the kids she has a point I guess.
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:10
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:10
A kettle on the stove.
A 9L plastic bucket with a female QC near the bottom topped up with cold water and the kettle full of hot.
1M of hose with QCs and a garden rose (with shut-off).
Stand the bucket on the roof.
Cost nothing, always the right temperature, uses minimum gas, bucket has other uses, takes minimal space.
OR
A built in shower and
toilet and gas HWS...... :-)
Cheers,
Peter
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:36
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:36
You beat me too it Peter
"A kettle on a gas burner". The most economical with gas and water. Bathe from a bowl when
bush camping.
Motherhen
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 17:32
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 17:32
I agree Peter, I actually bought a Coleman HWS but was unhappy with its performance. Now picture yourself all nice and wet, stop the hot water to lather up the soap and then turn back on the water only to get a blast of now cold water to rinse off with!!!
Apparently the flame shuts off - including
the pilot light - if you stop the water flow. Was a waste of ~$400 for me, but luckily I had been assured by the salesman that this wasn't the case when I bought it, so at least they did the right thing and gave me my money back. Have stuck with a kettle, container and a $25 primus 12V shower pump and was much happier.
If you want the best, get a Truma HWS, they store ~14L of hot water in a small SS drum, virtualy the same system you have at
home. But these are built-in systems and are not portable as such. Mainly used in vans and top end camper trailers.
Cheers
Captain
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:54
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:54
Coleman HWOD doesn't have a pilot light, they use electronic ignition.
We can get 2 showers from 1 bucket of water without turning it off.
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 20:30
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 20:30
Hmm... your testing my memory here, it was some 4 odd years ago, maybe it was a Primus unit? Either way, it had a pilot light that went out when the water was off and end result was cold water or get someone to restart it. I was happy with the kettle and bucket as it took up less room :)
Cheers
Captain
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Follow Up By: Member - michael H (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 22:52
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 22:52
I have a Primus unit little blue metal box and it can be fiddly.
I find a safe way is to heat water from one container and pump it to another then drop the pump into the heated drum of water and the kids can switch the water on and off by themselves with out fear of scalding or cold showers as this unit could possibly do.
I have also had to change the pump on this unit, So if it plays up again it might be time to look for a different set up but I do like the compact size of the Primus unit which is not like the Coleman or the newer Primus ones
Cheers Michael
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Reply By: Member - Jason B (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:18
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:18
Has anyone considered modifying something like this??? Just add a suitable sure flow pump and a water source I guess.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230573516780&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Regards
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Follow Up By: Member - Jack - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:28
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:28
They look good, but at $949 I think there are other equally effective and less expensive options.
I have a Twine that works really
well.
Jack
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason B (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 17:36
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 17:36
Jack the Twine is virtually the same as the Power Shower and Glind heat exchanger showers I have used before. I agree these are excellent and may be what I go for again. It will be interesting to see what the gas hot water system actually sells for as it is currently only $100 with 2 hours to go.
If it went for a reasonable price ($250ish) by the time you bought a good sure flow pump you may have a good system for under $500.
The thing I like about the heat exchanger type is that when we were camping I could set it up with a long hose going into a
dam or creek for
water supply and then everyone in the
camp could have a shower with no worries about running out of water as long as the engine was running in the vehicle. Some times 10 - 15 of our fellow campers would all have a shower one after the other with no worries.
I do like the compact nature of the Coleman and the fact that you don't have to warm the car engine up etc.
Interesting to see how we all use different methods in the pursuit of a hot shower.
Regards
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:30
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:30
Jason
"I could set it up with a long hose going into a
dam or creek for
water supply..."
Have you thought about:
- where the soapy water goes - almost certainly into the creek or the
dam
- what the soapy water does - contaminates the water, possibly kills fish, birds etc
Not exactly a "tread lightly" camping practice, so please factor this in to your decisions about how you set up for showers. The 12 V systems do allow you to shower away from water courses.
We once camped near an idiot who regularly took his vehicle down to an desert
waterhole for a shower. Every day the
waterhole descreased in size due to evaporation. Pity the poor birds and animals that had to drink increasingly soapy water dues to this mans ignorance or couldn't care less attitude.
Cheers,
val
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason B (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:39
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:39
Have you considered that all of these issues were addressed prior to setting up the shower and you making your assumptions?. Very little chemicals were used no shower water returned to the water course. I am a Fisheries Officer and am very aware of the environment and the impact we have on it. Find out your facts before you assume someone is an environmental vandal THANKS!.
If I wanted to post a thread on how to reduce the environmental impacts of having a shower I would have.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jack - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 20:13
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 20:13
Jason:
It sold for $108.52. Now I'm interested.
I apologise also because I went down to the description and saw the recommended retail price of $949 and incorrectly assumed it was the Buy It Now Price.
You can get Shurflow pumps off eBay from the US for good prices at present as
well. Very much worthy of consideration.
Cheers
Jack
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason B (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 21:14
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 21:14
Jack
I sent the guys selling them an email with some questions to establish if they will suit our needs and if in fact they will work as described with a shurflow pressure pump.
The stats for the 8 litre one look good, 8 ltr's a minute and uses 1kg of LPG (from a bottle) for 2 hours run time.
I have a Trak Shak and think it would mount perfectly on the outboard motor bracket under the awning (out of the elements). When travelling I would pack it up into a fish box. It would be easy to make a bracket that had the pump etc attached as
well and plug the pump straight into the Anderson plug.
I will post the reply that I get to my questions for your info.
Regards
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Reply By: Garry H (S Aus) - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 17:37
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 17:37
Hi Jason,
our vote goes with Coleman, bought ours before our last trip to
Birdsville (other than the quick Jaunt to
Bathurst on top the mountain for 4 days), The Coleman is good on the gas and is hot enough to do the dishes, we fill a container with the correct showering temp and use a shower tent with a 12v shower head, no one can use more than their allocation of water this way,
we always boil our water b4 cooking and cuppas with it and the coleman "pre heats" our water for boiling,
hot water on tap makes for happy campers
you won't regret buying one if you do
cheers
Garry
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason B (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:02
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:02
Thanks for the advice.
Can the Coleman draw water from a bucket or Jerry can or do you need to use the collapsable bag that it comes with? It seems like a good compact unit. Also does the pump in it have enough pressure for a reasonable shower with the rose mounted at the appropriate hight (1.8 - 2m above the unit)
Regards
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Follow Up By: landseka - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:27
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:27
Hi Jason, we have the Coleman Hot Water On Demand and love it.
We just use a bucket to draw from, never use the collapsible one.
When away from reliable
water supply we do the "wet down & turn off, lather up, scrub then turn on to rinse." Never have a problem of water being too cold when turning back on.
We have a thorough shower using less than 10L each. If
water supply was getting low we would just do the "top & tail" from a bucket.
Cheers Neil
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Reply By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 17:44
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 17:44
Jason
Move to
Tamworth, the sun does it for you.
39 yesterday, 41 today and forecast 40 tomorrow.
I'm sure there are hotter spots though
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason B (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 17:56
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 17:56
Thanks Mark
I should change my name to frosty the Snow man as I am melting as we speak, about 38 - 39 here in
Bathurst today. .
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Reply By: beergutz - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:16
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:16
coleman by far, have tried boiling kettle - to long , those little $ 20 shower pumps don't last , need car or battery 2 run them.
tried a cheaper ( $ 200 ish ) gas hws from supercheap ,it didnt survive it's
first trip.
got the coleman & pol gas fitting so can use cannister or " big " gas bottle.
i use 20 ltr drum & heat water to desired temp, turn off gas and then use coleman pump , placing shower rose back in bucket between soap on &
rinse.
we use a ensuit type tent -- shower in 1 side chem
toilet in other with zippered dividing door , clothes stay dry & no trying to reach outside for towel
etc.
cheers
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Follow Up By: beergutz - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:41
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:41
forgot about the glind unit i fitted to the 06 pajero ( ran hoses to the rear )and only used it once as temp was low & could not get it higher , it was running through a sand spear .
will fit glind to new patrol when its ready & run hoses over front guard,might be hotter.
cheers
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Reply By: Richard W (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 19:01
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 19:01
Another vote for the Coleman but I don't use it often.
Usually in a group and we set up a communal shower.
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Reply By: Wilko - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 20:50
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 20:50
My vote is for the Coleman,
It has worked
well for the last 3 years. I use it only to get hot water to wash the dishes, but SWMBO can use it for long showers (10 minute jobbies) when she is out camping with me.
Cheers Wilko
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Reply By: shanegu6 - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 21:21
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 21:21
Had the glind shower unit and also the companion shower unit. Nothing beats a 20l paint drum on the fire or big gas burner and a 12v pump and shower head. It has definitely been the most reliable and easy shower we have had.
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Reply By: tg123 - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 23:34
Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 23:34
Hi Jason!
I've just been through this dilemna myself - considered the Coleman HWOD, the Companion (?) Cube thing, an instant tankless HWS via ebay and even a $3000 (!!!!) Webasto diesel system.
Discounted the Coleman and Companion because I have read literally hundreds of posts and easily half of them are negative. The instant tankless would have been OK except it has no AGA approval which worries me. The Webasto - apparently brilliant, but at those dollars???!!!
We are on a 'simplify' kick at the moment and finally went full circle and decided to stick with the gas cooker and kettle!! No extra to carry, no extra cost, no set up time - in fact it makes you sit back and 'smell the roses' while waiting and after all, isn't that what camping is all about?? By the way, for a shower mix cold water with boiling water in a 4:1 ratio and you'll get a water temp of around 39 degrees - add a bit more or less boiling depending on ambient temp.
Cheers
TG
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Reply By: River Swaggie - Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 01:06
Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 01:06
Ive had a Coleman a few years now and i only use it to shower and its brilliant,Women love it too.....
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Reply By: BrownyGU - Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 08:55
Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 08:55
I've got the Twine heat exchanger set up on my Patrol, works fine if you recirculate the water in a bucket or pre-heat first but not warm enough if used directly from a creak or stream,has anyone looked into adding a second heat exchanger or doing something so as it would be warm direct from a creek?
Cheers.......Browny
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Follow Up By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:58
Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:58
mine is boiling hot sometimes too hot...do you have the dial all the way to the hottest?
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Reply By: redpaso - Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:04
Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:04
for me camping is about doing it as cheaply as possible or free (preferred option) even if it means a little inconvienance (i.e. it is not all there at the turn of a tap). I purchased a 19L solar shower bag for under $10 & I reckon it is great, fill it & leave it in the sun for a few hours then throw it on the patrols roof rack so it gravity feeds into the small but ample nossle. If it is too cold to or runs out then it is easy to top up with boiled water to get it nice & warm. I can ussually get 3 showers from the 19L so I am happy with that! Good for the environment & good for my wallet!
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Reply By: DOEY- Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:17
Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:17
I just installed a Helton Heat exchange to my rodeo yesterday. A bit fiddly trying to mount as there so little space. But once its in, its in. I decided to go a helton based on the fact i have little space to carry a larger heavier HWOD or similar unit and i dont have to worry about carrying extra gas. Solar showers may be ok but not reliable on cold or wet days. Plus i love the fact of no moving parts.
I havent actually tried it in a real shower situation, but i was playing with it yesterday and timing how long it took to heat a 10l bucket of cold water to shower temp.
i went for a quick 5 min drive to get the car to operating temp 80 degrees, hooked the 12v turbo shower pump into a bucket and it took 3 mins (not kidding) to heat the water up to a good shower temp, after 4 mins i could not put my hand in it. It cost $315 from ebay and came with all the fittings and good quality hoses etc.
I will just use it to re-circulate a bucket of water to a good temp and take it away to my shower ensuite.
As you have already used these types you know how simple they are to operate, i had also heard so many disaster stories abut the coleman, but have also heard their customer support is very good, but for me i know as long as my car starts and i have water- i can make it hot!
let us know which way you go.
doey
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Reply By: mattd - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:27
Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:27
Hi Jason,
I also have a camper,
Tambo...
For our family, take 1 12 lt flat bucket, $6.
1 12 volt shower from Jaycar. $29.95. The yellow onewith the
grey bag. Its lasted for about 150 showers so far.
1 $6 kettle (for the stove) from kmart $7
and some gas to heat the water.
Used it alot and it works fine..
Try the cheap option and you may find you will save some money.
Coleman are a great unit, BUT, the water is not hot enough for a cupper.
The kettle triples up for the shower, cupper and dishes.
Hope this helps,
Matt
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Follow Up By: Jarse - Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 16:49
Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 16:49
Matt, we have a Coleman and as long as you twist & hold the temp knob to the override position, it's scaldingly hot enough for coffee. And I like my coffee hot :-)
John
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Reply By: Member - Jason B (NSW) - Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 13:52
Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 13:52
Thanks for the advice guys much appreciated.
The coleman seems popular as do the heat exchanger types and also there are the much simpler methods all of which I have used at various times.
Has anyone with a CT tried one of the instant gas hot water systems??
Thanks for all the info it is what I was after
Regards
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