thoughts on the Nissan Pathfinder on the 4WD hierarchy scale?
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iluvthebush
Hi all, I have just joined this
forum, more from the point of being a photographer, prospector and lover of the red-dirt country. The 4WD is just a way to get to where I want to be. My question arises from a few reactions of friends (blokes) to my '99 V6 TV-I Nissan Pathfinder.
I thought it was a pretty reasonable 4WD and has got me
places I have wanted to go, though I'll be the first to admit I don't push it to the limit, ie climbing
rock walls, through deep water etc (I'm a girl and anyway, I don't have a
snorkel fitted). I'm a fairly careful driver and would rather see the countryside than be roaring along a two-wheel bush track kamikaze-style at 120 kph. One should never miss a photo moment and they don't go too
well at high speeds.
The couple of times I've been out with some friends they have been doubtful that the Pathfinder would handle the terrain. One of them called it a 'glorified station wagon'. I find it beautiful to drive and would love to have faith in the car but not sure now from hearing these comments.
Anyone out there drive a pathfinder around the '99 vintage and really put it through its paces? I'd be really interested in some
feedback if anyone could help me out.
Reply By: Member - MUZBRY(Vic) - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 07:33
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 07:33
Gday
If the vehicle has been as good as you need so far, then there is no problem. There will always be someone who wants to spend your money their way.
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Follow Up By: iluvthebush - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 22:50
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 22:50
Well said Muz, I'm hearing you!
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Reply By: Member - Steve & Cecily W (QLD - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 08:02
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 08:02
G'day iluv,
There are those who scoff at Pathfinders but if you
check out the
forum on PCOA (Pathfinders Club of Australia) you'll find there are lots of Pathy owners who really do take them anywhere and everywhere.
Mine takes me everywhere I want; and does it very comfortably - unlike some 4by's I've been in.
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Follow Up By: iluvthebush - Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 21:57
Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 21:57
thanx for that S&C will
check out the club. They really are a beautiful drive hey!
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 08:25
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 08:25
Its quite a good car iluvthebush and has a far degree of 4wd capability.
The front independant and rear live axle
suspension have over 200mm of wheel travel each and more than the leaf springs on some other cars.
A reason people don't think of them as true 4wd is the type of body construction which is not as robust as a full seperate chassis car like a Patrol.
Pajero did this as
well and seem to have survived.
A girl in our family has the later R51 (because it looks tough and was cheaper than a Hummer), but this version went back to a chassis but went independant
suspension all round and these now actually have less 4wd capability than a friends 1999 model.
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Follow Up By: iluvthebush - Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 22:02
Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 22:02
Thanx Robin, I feel so much bettem now with some positive
feedback. I really do love this car and it has done me
well so far (around the
Pilbara, Gascoyne and Goldfields of WA). Now I can tell my brother its just as good as his Prado, as he reckons thats the bees knees, and more of a 4WD than
mine.
I have also heard not to buy a Pathfinder after 2006 as they lost the plot with it. appreciate your reply...
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Reply By: Gossy - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 09:26
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 09:26
it would be classed as a soft off roader. No offence but when you take into account the
suspension bits and pieces, driveline, clearance angles etc it's not in the same league as Patrol, Landcruiser, Defenders.
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Follow Up By: Member - Craig F (WA) - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:58
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:58
I have always classed a soft roader as a car with NO Low range then looking at
suspension, clearance etc. I am interested in your rational as to put it in the same
pigeon hole as a Kluger/Extrail. I think you are being a bit pedantic. I have a Hilux with IFS and will go almost anywhere a 105 will and have proven it on many a club run.
Craig
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 13:47
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 13:47
Gossy if may surprise you but wagons with rear coils will and a LSD will go anywhere a 60 series will. Not as good as a 80, but more then enough ability for most people. When we first got our NH Paj I waas shocked to find out it was able to eat my old 4 runner(on road tyres as
well) , and do it easy.
Soft roaders do not have low range, and limited
suspension travel, which the Pathy has. Must admit the new model is a disappiontment though. On a recent trip My sons Jack(with mts) absotulty eat it. If it was not losing traction it was hung up.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony V (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 13:53
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 13:53
I'm with Craig and Madfisher,
Anything with low range is not a "soft roader".
Pathfinders with a mild lift and decent set of tyres are sufficient and safe enough to travel to most
places in Australia and get back.
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Follow Up By: Gossy - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 13:57
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 13:57
I think we all agree here but in different ways. A subaru forester has low range also but I wouldn't do the Victorian Alps or
Cape York in it. You can do the tough km's in the Pathfinder (it would even do the Canning) but it's longevity would be compromised if it gets this treatment. Solid axle large 4wd's will do that punishment it's whole life (things still break but you know what I mean). Hilux's are the same. It's a vehicle for tradesman and light 4wd work (even make them in 2wd only) but I wouldn't do the tough trips around Aust and expect it to be in the same condition as the other vehicles mentioned; simply isn't designed for it; that's why Toyota make both models because they have different purposes.
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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 18:31
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 18:31
Gossy, my hilux did the cape twice, Kimberlys, High Country, and numerous other trips through out Australia, I sold it with 300 thou on it and still didnt have any rattles in it, Yes it was slow (2.8D) but was a great 4wd. And believe me it was loaded to the hilt every time including towing an off road camper. Alot has to do with how there treated,serviced etc, myn was pretty stock except for the OME lift,
snorkel, ARB steel bullbar. The only thing it did start to do prior to me selling it was a hairline crack in the inner guard on the passengers side obvioulsy due to vibrations, rutts etc but also did some pretty serious hard stuff when out playing on the weekends. Wether the new hilux last the distance on these types of trips I dont know but there certainly no soft roader. be no different to the patrols breaking rear coil mounts etc.......
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Follow Up By: wizzer73 - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 19:03
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 19:03
back in the ole days, a soft roader was any 4wd with ifs. definations change over time. i think the pathy will get you everywhere u want to go.
wizzer
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Follow Up By: Jon W - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 19:56
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 19:56
The Suzuki Grand Vitara is classified as a soft roader too, yet has low range 4wd.
I wouldnt consider the pathfinder a soft roader as such, but somewhere between a softroader and a landcruiser/patrol etc.
I've seen alot of "softroaders" keep up with the landcruisers and patrols out on runs, just have to change the driving style abit.
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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 20:09
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 20:09
I would put the challenger in I would say the same catogory as prado's, pajero's, Im talking earlier pathies and pajeros with solid rear ends, all have IFS, which will never be as good as a coil sprung vehicle on all 4 corners like the 80 series, later 100's (or105 as I think there stated as) and the patrols. The vitara's are a great 4 wd drive and very capable (I had 2 of them) BUT there biggest let down is the lower ground clearance even with a lift (as I had) Great for on
the beach (better then the bigger veicles) and moderate 4wding. The main reason we sold ours was room, fuel capacity, and ground clearance, but look at the earlier sierra's and jimny's they could be built up to go it with the big guns and did it
well. Personally I wouldnt give a rats what other people say or think of your vehicle. If it serves your purpose (not theirs) and does what you want it to do then stay with it...............
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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 22:28
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 22:28
Plenty of clearance if you ask me with a 2 inch llift and some decent rubber,
well capable of been an off road vehicle, not a soft roader
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Follow Up By: iluvthebush - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 22:59
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 22:59
Hey Kimmie, absolutely love your car and thanx for restoring my faith in my car! Might get the lift kit done as I've found this to be really the only thing I'd like to change about it (maybe a
snorkel too). Its a beautiful drive otherwise!
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Follow Up By: ingo57 - Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:13
Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:13
Hey Gossy,
You say "Solid axle large 4wd's will do that punishment it's whole life".
After we sold our Pathy we purchased an 06 GU Patrol 3 years later the chassis cracked top to bottom of the rail at the rear spring seats, It opened up like a can opener "stat write off".
The grass always looks greener and as mad fisher says below the more modern Nissan's are definitely not built like the older ones. IMO Nissan has been slowly destroying what used to be a good reputation.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:08
Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:08
Just to put some sort of perspective on this, all kinds of vehicles have been travelling the Australian outback since cars have been around.
Modern cars will clearly do it more comfortably, and with far greater ease and reliability then days long gone, although Mrs Landy has often said with a glance towards ‘The Landy’ that she isn’t so sure, but I digress.
However my point is, most modern four-wheel drive vehicles are capable in the right hands regardless of whether they are soft off-roaders or built like bullock drays of old, or ‘The Landy’.
Maybe you wouldn’t rush down the Canning in a ‘soft-offroader’, but with the right skill, determination, and time you could probably do it... as many have proved!
Just my take on a debate that could rage on forever...the photo shows the winner of the 1953 REDeX around Australia Car Trail.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony V (NSW) - Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 13:55
Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 13:55
Landy,
Great photo, you just reminded me that in 2009 I stumbled on the Peugeot Club doing the
Plenty Highway, that then stirred up memories of the Kombie crossing of the
Simpson Desert in 2005
ExplorOz topic 27193 then the more recent Posties Bike crossing..
Some comments about vehicles would upset the Subaru Clubs around the states.
I remember seeing many old American 2 wheel drives that had been used in the Victorian Alps for years before being left to rust.
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Follow Up By: iluvthebush - Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 22:06
Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 22:06
Hmmmm, way over my head. I'll just let you blokes run with this one....
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Reply By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 09:33
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 09:33
Hi Iluvthebush,
If you are happy with your machine and it has not let you down then there is no point changing at this point in time. Just get on with liking it a lot. You can't beat that feeling.
If on your travels you find it is lacking in one area of capability or another then you will know it is time to think about a more capable unit. This is not saying your machine is not capable. More that you will know when it is time to move on vehicle wise.
In the mean time let the blokes rave on as we like to do. You are probably doing more to enjoy your vehicle than they are.
The
places some of the old timers went in just 2 wheel drives makes us look like whimps in our flash 4 wheel drives.
If you are happy then you are on the money. You will know when it is time to update without anyone telling you.
By the way luvthebush, don't we all mate.
Cheers and happy travels, Bruce.
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Follow Up By: Rob! - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:16
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:16
The cruisers and patrols require less driver skill to go to the same
places that a pathfinder would go.
I'd say the blokes are either in need of self assurance about their own car choice or they're trying to get into your pants, (or both)
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Follow Up By: iluvthebush - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 23:07
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 23:07
Hey Bruce and Rob! Love your post and never let it be said that I'm not my own person. I just don't know enough about 4WD's to know where it was in the 4WD pecking order. I have been around the goldfields of WA down some pretty rough little 2 wheel tracks while prospecting and the only thing it lacked was a little extra ground clearance (wasn't too happy about that as I found a little patch when I went in another person's car - Landcruiser - that had the clearance. After we left
camp he went back and cleaned up the rest of my patch, not happy Jan, but my car wouldn't get there so boo hoo to me!
Love the philosophy Bruce!
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Reply By: Graham & Ann - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:34
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:34
Without a doubt our 1999 R50 TI Pathfinder the best allround vehicle I've owned. Was our main vehicle for many years travelling over 260000km around this great land, with 50% of that towing 2000kg van, much of that on dirt roads like
Gibb River RD, Plenty Hwy, etc. 4x4 into
Vic high country areas etc. only modification was PolyAir springs,it's now our just a town runabout back up vehicle.
Enjoy your travels
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Follow Up By: Nutta - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 21:00
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 21:00
Hi ILTB.
Do you mind if i ask what sort of fuel usage you are getting towing the van?
Cheers
Wayne
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Follow Up By: Graham & Ann - Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 08:54
Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 08:54
With the R50 Pathy towing our 2000kg van we used to avg around the 20L/100km towing at 90kph. A mate towing a lighter 1600 van gets avg 18L/100.
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Follow Up By: iluvthebush - Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 22:05
Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 22:05
Thanx G&A, was wondering how it would go with a van on the back so this was really helpful.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:40
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:40
Ignore the comments, just understand the limitations, which it seems you do. If you love the car it sounds like a good one, so enjoy. Certainly more than a glorified station wagon.
Heres another thread on your car, all sounds good. Enjoy..
99 Pathfinder
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Reply By: member - mazcan - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:54
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:54
hi iluvthebush
most of the crictics who make these comments you'll find have never driven a pathfinder
and also live and talk extreme offroad driving conditions
they drive vehicles with all the after market add-ons
half of which it is totally unneeded or just on their vehicle for show bits
they heavilly condem every other vehicle based on what they drive and in their mind to justify the money they have spent on there own rig
i might add that its their money and it's quiet ok by me
if thats what they want to do
every man to themslves and good on them for living their dream by doing this they raise the bar to a level that is way above the average 4x4 capabillities
but forget that the average 4x4 can still go
places and do it quiet
well with common sense approach by you the driver
don't let their boofhead comments deter you
as the pathfinder is a very capable vehicle and i have had the company of several on various 4x4 trips and they got through just as
well as every other vehicle
despite the usuall comments from owners of adverse rigs claiming they would be battling
i get the same each time about my 14yr old mazda bravo but no one has had to tow me yet
but i have had to help those with the talkng heads get out of some situations
so enjoy your pathfinder and dont be put off by the ones who wouldn't be seen dead in one
the fact that there are thousands of stock standard 4x4's driving around this big country and getting there just the same
cheers and enjoy your travels and photography
barry
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Follow Up By: Witi Repartee - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 13:27
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 13:27
Mr QUEBBAMBIDDYBUMTAL,
a
well reasoned reply....because I totally agree with you. Cheers
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Follow Up By: ben_gv3 - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 13:31
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 13:31
Totally agree with Mazcan.
It's generally not the vehicle that's the limitation it's the driver. Some people justify their own lack of skill by buying more toys for their cars.
Besides not everyone needs to drive a Landcruiser/Patrol to see this country when a smaller vehicle will do the job just as
well.
I would classify them as a medium-sized 4WD not a softroader/SUV.
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Follow Up By: member - mazcan - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 14:01
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 14:01
hi to
witi and ben_3
since 1979 i have owned 7 different 4x4's from powerful to small and in that time have experienced many different 4x4 situations and drivers attitudes and habits
and have come to the conclusion that the loose nut behind the wheel quiet often is a bigger problem than the loose sand or mud that one encounters enroute
cheers barry
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Follow Up By: dazren - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 16:34
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 16:34
Extremely
well said !! mazcan, how many threads do we come across with some beefed up super dooper all the bells and whistles,4WD battling the elements and succeeding to arrive at some remote location, only to arrive and see some old HQ holden station wagon has done the same, it really breaks their hearts ! dazren
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Reply By: ingo57 - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 16:59
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 16:59
Gday iluvthebush,
Bought the Mrs a 02 model Pathy with low kms back in 04 and we gave it a 2" lift with Rancho shocks, bull bar and a custom made roof rack etc. It took us
places like across the
Simpson Desert French line, Sturt stoney desert,
Birdsville tk, Old
Andado tk,
Boggy hole,
Oodnadatta tk, Sky trek, all around the
Flinders ranges, Fraser Island, down Vic etc etc.
Not to mention countless weekend camping trips sometimes towing 3 bikes car/trailer packed to the limit, It copped an absolute flogging. When we returned from our trips It got a quick tub then the Mrs got it back as her day to day commuter and shopping trolley. We sold it with over 100,000 hard kms on it and was still going strong, was just to small for our growing family.
The wife and I loved the R50 Pathy and driven with care "It would go any where a cruiser and Patrol would go".
No way is the R50 a soft roader, just have a laugh at any one that says it (actions speak louder than words).
Aftermarket accessories are a little limited compared to the others, however there is enough out there to make a pretty good "little" tourer (Long range fuel tank, Roof cage, Aftermarket
suspension, polyairs, single wheel carrier, small dual battery system).
IMO the achilles heel of the R50 is the torque convertor! Make sure you do a complete auto service every 30,000kms for the torque convertors tend to delaminate If the oil is not changed at the correct intervals and when this gets pumped through the valve body of the Auto and can be a very expensive rebuild.
Other than this they are a solid little unit when set up correctly and WILL take you where ever you want to go, they have a brilliant LSD (like most Nissans) there very predictable on a dirt track with good feed back.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 19:38
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 19:38
I had a '98 Pathfinder and agree with everything you have said.
Mine went everywhere I asked it to go and yes the auto transmission was the Achilles heel. Softroader my butt :-) Mike
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Reply By: Madfisher - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 19:01
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 19:01
Iluv,
Your Pathie was built in Japan before Nissan started losing the plot, and are far better enjineered and built then the current Spanish built ones.
Just enjoy it.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: Crackles - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 21:26
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 21:26
In the scale of 4x4 ability the Pathfinder is a mid range performer. It's simply restricted by wheel travel, approach, ramp over & departure angles, tyre size, gearing & ground clearance. As 90% of Aussie tracks are of an easy / intermediate standard, you will find the vehicle will go most
places without too many issues however the boys probably have cause to believe you may struggle in some circumstances being a novice driving a vehicle with minimal ground clearance.
Cheers Craig................
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Reply By: iluvthebush - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 23:18
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 23:18
Thanx to all you four wheel drivers out there. Inspirational stuff I can tell you. I fully have confidence back in my 'beautiful drive' Pathy now. I agree with most comments and will take all the suggestions on board. Ground clearance is definitely an issue, so will deal with that.
How would be the best way to do this? I think it already has shocks fitted by the previous owner who said it lifted the car by about 2 inches, not sure how he did it. Would definitely like to go up a little higher though.
Really appreciate all your comments and will get back to each one soon, so much help for a girl who loves the bush!......
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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:34
Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:34
Shockies wont lift it, you need larger springs as
well. Some people just change the shocks over to a more heavy duty type but dont change
the springs due to their requirments. Some good quality springs (with 2 inch lift) and some good shockies will make a big difference to handling,stopping (reduces nose diving under heavy breaking) less body roll, and if needed (depending on your load) you can add some airbags to assist the rear springs in stopping the bum from dragging on the ground so to speak....................
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Follow Up By: iluvthebush - Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 22:08
Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 22:08
thanx K10, great advice and will look into your suggestions...
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Follow Up By: Member - Warrie (NSW) - Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 22:17
Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 22:17
Hi iluvthebush, we have owned 2 Pathy's - a 99 and now an 01. Have done 100,000 km in 5 years on trips around
the block - Cape, GRR twice,
Mitchell Plateau, Big Red,
Birdsville and
Oodnadatta Tracks. Couldn't be bothered with a lift and haven't needed it. If yours is a Ti you have ABS which will brake better on the tar but according to a mate with his '02 Ti it made no difference on the gravel sliding into creeks on the Cape!! He slid the same as me as his brake pedal pulsated but made little difference to the deceleration. Put yours on LPG for only $500 with the govt rebate and almost double your fuel capacity and put range up to 900km.
Maz's comment summed it up nicely. Ignore the detractors, it's just boys bragging about their toys........W
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