thoughts on the Nissan Pathfinder on the 4WD hierarchy scale?
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iluvthebush
Hi all, I have just joined this
forum, more from the point of being a photographer, prospector and lover of the red-dirt country. The 4WD is just a way to get to where I want to be. My question arises from a few reactions of friends (blokes) to my '99 V6 TV-I Nissan Pathfinder.
I thought it was a pretty reasonable 4WD and has got me
places I have wanted to go, though I'll be the first to admit I don't push it to the limit, ie climbing
rock walls, through deep water etc (I'm a girl and anyway, I don't have a
snorkel fitted). I'm a fairly careful driver and would rather see the countryside than be roaring along a two-wheel bush track kamikaze-style at 120 kph. One should never miss a photo moment and they don't go too
well at high speeds.
The couple of times I've been out with some friends they have been doubtful that the Pathfinder would handle the terrain. One of them called it a 'glorified station wagon'. I find it beautiful to drive and would love to have faith in the car but not sure now from hearing these comments.
Anyone out there drive a pathfinder around the '99 vintage and really put it through its paces? I'd be really interested in some
feedback if anyone could help me out.
Reply By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 08:25
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 08:25
Its quite a good car iluvthebush and has a far degree of 4wd capability.
The front independant and rear live axle
suspension have over 200mm of wheel travel each and more than the leaf springs on some other cars.
A reason people don't think of them as true 4wd is the type of body construction which is not as robust as a full seperate chassis car like a Patrol.
Pajero did this as
well and seem to have survived.
A girl in our family has the later R51 (because it looks tough and was cheaper than a Hummer), but this version went back to a chassis but went independant
suspension all round and these now actually have less 4wd capability than a friends 1999 model.
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Follow Up By: iluvthebush - Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 22:02
Wednesday, Jun 22, 2011 at 22:02
Thanx Robin, I feel so much bettem now with some positive
feedback. I really do love this car and it has done me
well so far (around the
Pilbara, Gascoyne and Goldfields of WA). Now I can tell my brother its just as good as his Prado, as he reckons thats the bees knees, and more of a 4WD than
mine.
I have also heard not to buy a Pathfinder after 2006 as they lost the plot with it. appreciate your reply...
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Reply By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 09:33
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 09:33
Hi Iluvthebush,
If you are happy with your machine and it has not let you down then there is no point changing at this point in time. Just get on with liking it a lot. You can't beat that feeling.
If on your travels you find it is lacking in one area of capability or another then you will know it is time to think about a more capable unit. This is not saying your machine is not capable. More that you will know when it is time to move on vehicle wise.
In the mean time let the blokes rave on as we like to do. You are probably doing more to enjoy your vehicle than they are.
The
places some of the old timers went in just 2 wheel drives makes us look like whimps in our flash 4 wheel drives.
If you are happy then you are on the money. You will know when it is time to update without anyone telling you.
By the way luvthebush, don't we all mate.
Cheers and happy travels, Bruce.
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Follow Up By: Rob! - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:16
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:16
The cruisers and patrols require less driver skill to go to the same
places that a pathfinder would go.
I'd say the blokes are either in need of self assurance about their own car choice or they're trying to get into your pants, (or both)
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Follow Up By: iluvthebush - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 23:07
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 23:07
Hey Bruce and Rob! Love your post and never let it be said that I'm not my own person. I just don't know enough about 4WD's to know where it was in the 4WD pecking order. I have been around the goldfields of WA down some pretty rough little 2 wheel tracks while prospecting and the only thing it lacked was a little extra ground clearance (wasn't too happy about that as I found a little patch when I went in another person's car - Landcruiser - that had the clearance. After we left
camp he went back and cleaned up the rest of my patch, not happy Jan, but my car wouldn't get there so boo hoo to me!
Love the philosophy Bruce!
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Reply By: member - mazcan - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:54
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:54
hi iluvthebush
most of the crictics who make these comments you'll find have never driven a pathfinder
and also live and talk extreme offroad driving conditions
they drive vehicles with all the after market add-ons
half of which it is totally unneeded or just on their vehicle for show bits
they heavilly condem every other vehicle based on what they drive and in their mind to justify the money they have spent on there own rig
i might add that its their money and it's quiet ok by me
if thats what they want to do
every man to themslves and good on them for living their dream by doing this they raise the bar to a level that is way above the average 4x4 capabillities
but forget that the average 4x4 can still go
places and do it quiet
well with common sense approach by you the driver
don't let their boofhead comments deter you
as the pathfinder is a very capable vehicle and i have had the company of several on various 4x4 trips and they got through just as
well as every other vehicle
despite the usuall comments from owners of adverse rigs claiming they would be battling
i get the same each time about my 14yr old mazda bravo but no one has had to tow me yet
but i have had to help those with the talkng heads get out of some situations
so enjoy your pathfinder and dont be put off by the ones who wouldn't be seen dead in one
the fact that there are thousands of stock standard 4x4's driving around this big country and getting there just the same
cheers and enjoy your travels and photography
barry
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Follow Up By: Witi Repartee - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 13:27
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 13:27
Mr QUEBBAMBIDDYBUMTAL,
a
well reasoned reply....because I totally agree with you. Cheers
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Follow Up By: ben_gv3 - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 13:31
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 13:31
Totally agree with Mazcan.
It's generally not the vehicle that's the limitation it's the driver. Some people justify their own lack of skill by buying more toys for their cars.
Besides not everyone needs to drive a Landcruiser/Patrol to see this country when a smaller vehicle will do the job just as
well.
I would classify them as a medium-sized 4WD not a softroader/SUV.
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Follow Up By: member - mazcan - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 14:01
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 14:01
hi to
witi and ben_3
since 1979 i have owned 7 different 4x4's from powerful to small and in that time have experienced many different 4x4 situations and drivers attitudes and habits
and have come to the conclusion that the loose nut behind the wheel quiet often is a bigger problem than the loose sand or mud that one encounters enroute
cheers barry
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Follow Up By: dazren - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 16:34
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 16:34
Extremely
well said !! mazcan, how many threads do we come across with some beefed up super dooper all the bells and whistles,4WD battling the elements and succeeding to arrive at some remote location, only to arrive and see some old HQ holden station wagon has done the same, it really breaks their hearts ! dazren
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Reply By: ingo57 - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 16:59
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 16:59
Gday iluvthebush,
Bought the Mrs a 02 model Pathy with low kms back in 04 and we gave it a 2" lift with Rancho shocks, bull bar and a custom made roof rack etc. It took us
places like across the
Simpson Desert French line, Sturt stoney desert,
Birdsville tk, Old
Andado tk,
Boggy hole,
Oodnadatta tk, Sky trek, all around the
Flinders ranges, Fraser Island, down Vic etc etc.
Not to mention countless weekend camping trips sometimes towing 3 bikes car/trailer packed to the limit, It copped an absolute flogging. When we returned from our trips It got a quick tub then the Mrs got it back as her day to day commuter and shopping trolley. We sold it with over 100,000 hard kms on it and was still going strong, was just to small for our growing family.
The wife and I loved the R50 Pathy and driven with care "It would go any where a cruiser and Patrol would go".
No way is the R50 a soft roader, just have a laugh at any one that says it (actions speak louder than words).
Aftermarket accessories are a little limited compared to the others, however there is enough out there to make a pretty good "little" tourer (Long range fuel tank, Roof cage, Aftermarket
suspension, polyairs, single wheel carrier, small dual battery system).
IMO the achilles heel of the R50 is the torque convertor! Make sure you do a complete auto service every 30,000kms for the torque convertors tend to delaminate If the oil is not changed at the correct intervals and when this gets pumped through the valve body of the Auto and can be a very expensive rebuild.
Other than this they are a solid little unit when set up correctly and WILL take you where ever you want to go, they have a brilliant LSD (like most Nissans) there very predictable on a dirt track with good feed back.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 19:38
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 19:38
I had a '98 Pathfinder and agree with everything you have said.
Mine went everywhere I asked it to go and yes the auto transmission was the Achilles heel. Softroader my butt :-) Mike
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Reply By: Crackles - Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 21:26
Tuesday, Jun 21, 2011 at 21:26
In the scale of 4x4 ability the Pathfinder is a mid range performer. It's simply restricted by wheel travel, approach, ramp over & departure angles, tyre size, gearing & ground clearance. As 90% of Aussie tracks are of an easy / intermediate standard, you will find the vehicle will go most
places without too many issues however the boys probably have cause to believe you may struggle in some circumstances being a novice driving a vehicle with minimal ground clearance.
Cheers Craig................
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