Trailer rego lapsed - how big a fine do you reckon it should be for towing a tra
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Echucan Bob
With an interstate move my 4 by 6 trailer rego lapsed and the renewal would have been sent to my old address. I only use the trailer about once a year so its not high on the list of priorities.
I was towing it the other day and got pinged by a Highway Patrol for unregistered trailer. How much do you reckon the fine was? Don't cheat by looking it up. Just tell us where you reckon the fine for this heinous crime fits into the scheme of things.
Reply By: BarryR1 - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 15:42
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 15:42
Bob,
I hope this isn’t another bleat about everyone (read the wallopers there) doing the wrong thing by you because you broke the law. Knowing your trailer was unregistered, you made a conscious decision to roll the dice and lost. Why blame everyone else for your stupidity.
I don’t think this
forum is the place for you to bleat about the injustice of you getting caught for doing the wrong thing.
$33 for private trailer rego for a 6x4. Cheaper than the $133 fine and a damn site more sensible. Sorry but if you were expecting sympathy, fresh out of it.
Baz
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Follow Up By: Echucan Bob - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 15:49
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 15:49
Baz,
If you read my question I was asking for guesses as to the quantum of the fine, not for sympathy. But don't let that stop you being so sanctimonious.
Bob
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Follow Up By: ModSquad - Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:51
Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:51
Hi Baz,
Bob wasnt whinging mate, just asking the question.
You are right, this isnt the place to bleat about injustices, but its also not the place to fire back into someone in this manner.
The Squad
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Reply By: Bill BD - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 15:56
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 15:56
I am going to guess $1000. If it was less I rekon you were lucky as your unregistered trailer would negate your third party in an accident and that could disadvantage an injured person in a huge way.
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Follow Up By: Andrew - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:11
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:11
In Vic you don't lose your third party for unregistered.
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Follow Up By: stew1978 - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:15
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:15
You don't lose your third party coverage in any state in Aus for anything except non payment and even then there are exception to this. Even if you did get injured by an uninsured vehicle every state has a scheme to cover injured parties who are injured by a unregistered/uninsured vehicles, usually called the "Nominal Defendant". In NSW it is funded by the insurer's in proportion to thier market share.
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Follow Up By: Echucan Bob - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:17
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:17
Bill
Trailers don't have CTP insurance, just cars.
There are separate fines for unregistered cars, and uninsured cars.
Bob
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Follow Up By: Bill BD - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 17:11
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 17:11
I stand corrected then. I always thought that an unregistered trailer would be grounds for injuries caused as a result of it to be not covered.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 19:13
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 19:13
My trailer rego has a component for CTP - approx half of the overall rego cost.
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Follow Up By: Echucan Bob - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 20:29
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 20:29
Garrycol,
what state is that in?
Bob
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 22:08
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 22:08
The ACT - I checked the rego paper - all components are listed - the CTP is provided by the NRMA.
Garry
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Follow Up By: Member - OnYaBike - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 23:16
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 23:16
In Qld you'll be fined for having an out of date label even though you've paid your rego and are waiting for the label.
Advice when I paid the rego was, carry the receipt to prove you're registered but remove the old label when it expires.
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Follow Up By: Zebra400 - Thursday, Oct 20, 2011 at 04:56
Thursday, Oct 20, 2011 at 04:56
Interesting stuff. I have an interesting question. In Victoria, you dont have to register a 6X 4 box trailer. So what happens when you drive it interstate. Can I get fined for driving with an unregistered trailer?
I don't know. About 10 years ago, we were told that the Australian Rules Laws would be adopted in every state so we have consistent laws throughout the country. Seems that this concept has been thrown in the bin by some States as they have once again adopted their own State rules.
Perhaps one day, we will get consistency again.
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Reply By: kiwicol - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:06
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:06
amazing the amount of people who cant read, or done anything wrong.
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Reply By: Rockape - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:10
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:10
Bob,
This is from someone who didn't know his trailer wasn't registered for 4 years. I always thought the missus had looked after it. We had moved and the address hadn't been changed, also I never ever bothered putting a rego sticker on it so that didn't ring a bell either. It was only when we changed address that I found out. Went to change all the vehicle addresses and they said trailer....What trailer.
Biggest worry is if someone runs into it or it runs into someone. That's when you are in deep dung right up to your tennis balls.
My guess would be about $300.
Have a good one,
RA.
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:45
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:45
Well in Qld its now $88 to register a 6x4 trailer and there is no 3rd party insurance with that ,the trailer is covered for 3rd party by the tow vehicle , however the warning is on all trailer rego papers in Qld " To contact your insurer if towing with an interstate vehicle ! " Fines are $80 for failure to display current rego sticker , $80 for failure to remove expired sticker and you can be fined both of them + $80 for unregisterd + the registration fee + late penalty.
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Follow Up By: Echucan Bob - Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 19:13
Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 19:13
So, $80 in QLD for unreg trailer. No doubt you'll be writing to your local MP to have that increased to the $530 that NSW gouges from motorists.
Bob
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Reply By: The Landy - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:47
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:47
Is there a point to this?
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 17:39
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 17:39
I agree - a pointless waste of time
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Reply By: gbc - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:53
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:53
I want my two minutes back.
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Reply By: Echucan Bob - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 17:00
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 17:00
The fine in NSW is $530.
Same as driving an unregistered car. Or driving without a license.
You'd need to do more than 30 k over the limit before you got a speeding fine more than that.
Considering that in VIC, where I live now, the trailer doesn't need its own rego I thought it was quite steep, and out of proportion to the severity of the crime.
But I guess when raising revenue is your game, then a sense of proportion is the last thing on your mind.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 17:07
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 17:07
Bit like pokies really, you only loose if you feed the thing!
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Reply By: Roughasguts - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 17:18
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 17:18
Bloody hell that's more than me trailer cost new!.
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Reply By: Tonyfish#58 - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 17:25
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 17:25
I would have said maybe $175 - Fine posted is a bit ridiculous.
I noticed there is a lot of people around that do no wrong :-)
Most people riding a motor bike off road each weekend (unregistered trail) do it illegal
Cheers Tony
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 17:47
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 17:47
Seems to me that the ONLY people that complain about the size of a fine are the ones paying it , Ignorance of the law is not an excuse or is failure to comply with "rego" because 'I only use it once a year' ,,, lol.
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Follow Up By: Echucan Bob - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 19:01
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 19:01
Alloy,
clearly none of the people here knew the magnitude of the fine in NSW. Even Const Baz thought it was $133. The purpose of the thread was to inform others (some people here may have occasion to tow through NSW) of how excessive the fine in NSW is. I'm not complaining that I got pinged- just that NSW uses the opportunity to gouge money from motorists. The NSW fine is clearly out of kilter with other states, and far more than most people would expect. You find that a laughing matter. You are easily amused.
Bob
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Follow Up By: Bill BD - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 19:32
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 19:32
I don't think $500 or so is excessive. Any less and it is not much of a deterant.
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 20:02
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 20:02
Gouging money from motorists !! Yeah right Echucan Bob ,, you broke the law and have had your whinge , how is it out of kilter ? YOU through your own stupidity or ignorance chose to tow an unregisterd trailer , you got fined , big deal , and I will continue to laugh at
Richmond Craniums such as you,
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Follow Up By: Bill BD - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 20:09
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 20:09
There's no need get aggressive surely.
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Follow Up By: Echucan Bob - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 20:28
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 20:28
Many of the threads here are about the cost that motorists face - fuel,
camping fees, tyres, repairs etc I inform people of a significant cost that many were unaware of and some people choose to adopt a holier than thou and quite unpleasant attitude. Never been booked for anything? Unless they are coppers then its almost impossible.
Frankly, if you think a crime of omission like not renewing rego is as serious as a crime of comission like exceeding speed limit by 30 kph you must be insane.
Bill, its only a deterrant if people know about it.
Bob
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 20:44
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 20:44
What point can't you seem to see , driving a vehicle towing an unregisterd trailer is no different than driving an unregisterd vehicle over the speed limit by however much YOU wish to justify , the possibility of the unregisterd trailer doing damage in a so called accident is NO different BUT the legal outcome is very different , OMISSION of knowledge is NO EXCUSE """ oh pardon me officer , I did not know that driving at 30 klm over the speed limit was against the law """" yeah right ?? Pay your fine , stop your whingeing ,learn a lesson , take a spoonfull of cement and toughen up !
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Follow Up By: ModSquad - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 20:50
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 20:50
Thanks gents, lets not let this thread degenerate into a slanging match. Lets all play nicely in the sandpit and keep things relevant and not personal.
Thankyou,
Modsquad
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Reply By: Member - John - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 18:17
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 18:17
$315.00..................................
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 18:21
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 18:21
Don't know about other States, but the Victorian Police are being a bit stupid for pinging SA registered vehicles for not displaying a current registration sticker.
Stickers were abolished in SA as of July 1st and a notice of current registrsation (without other personal details) is issued for drivers to show interstate poilice proof that the vehicle is registered.
One particular Cop
Shop in
Ballarat is making it difficult for SA drivers at present, issuing on
the spot fines.
Some people are just bleepholes.
PS. My rego is due next month and I will also no longer have a rego sticker to display.
If caught in Mexico, I would refuse the fine and state I'm taking the matter to court.
We are issued with a proof of registration to show to Mr Plod, but this is obviously not good enough for at least one neighbouring State.
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Follow Up By: NTVRX - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 19:47
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 19:47
As I have stated before to you Bill. You cannot display something you don't have. I would suggest that the nice Police person is not aware of the non issue of Labels in Sth Aussie. Object to the Notice...probably on the back Bill...send off letter with the Notice to Civic Compliance...the address is on the notice Bill & explain the situation. If this fails, elect to have the matter determined by a court. The ticket wouldn't have been issued as a result of attitude would it?
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Follow Up By: Member - Krakka - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 20:16
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 20:16
NTVRX, attitude has nothing to do with the matter of your vehicle being registered or not. Registered with proof at hand, leave me alone, Unregistered.....................throw the book at me. Nothing to do with attitude.
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Follow Up By: Mick O - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 20:45
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 20:45
Hey Bill, trust things are good over your way. The topic about the rego stickers came up a few weeks back and I think your info is a bit out of date or anecdotal. There's no offence in Victoria to fail to display a rego sticker from a state that doesn't have one.
There is an offence in Victoria for failing to displaying a valid rego sticker for Victorian vehicles. There was a write up over it in one of the papers as
well. bleep that reminds me, I'd better put
mine on both the vehicle and the trailer lol.
Cheers mate,
Mick
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Follow Up By: Dion - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 21:13
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 21:13
You'd think the Victorian Police would be used to the concept, seeing how WA vehicles have not had rego stickers for a good 12-18 months before SA smartened up too in July this year.
Cheers,
D.
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Follow Up By: Mick O - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 21:44
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 21:44
Dion,
I thought that decision was made in WA because no one paid their rego anyway ha ha ha. ;-)
Don't worry, I won't give up my day job.
Actually I think it's because there are significantly more vehicles in the east coast states. Makes it a lot easier to identify unregistered and this appears to have been a major government push because of third party insurance issues and the costs associated with the TAC (who are a bunch of pricks and make several hundred million profit each year anyway so go figure!). Will probably go along the way of WA and SA once automated number plate recognition becomes more prevalent.
Cheers Mick
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 00:18
Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 00:18
mick there may be more than a bit of truth in that
they confiscate vehicles that are unregistered or the driver is unlicensed
and it was revealed it is costing the WA GVT a motza in impoundment fees due to the massive number of vehicles they impound. most arnt collected and get auctioned off to partly off set costs
as an aside
if your ever involved in an accident the first thing you need to do quickly is get a rego number and maybe a mobile phone
pic of driver and number plate.
there is an excellent chance they dont have a license and will either give false details or do a runner.
A classic example of this was a girl i knew had a 4 car end to ender with her at the front stopped and others piling up behind.
2 of the cars fevourishly unbent panels to clear wheels and took off
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Reply By: Hairy (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 22:38
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 22:38
Thanks Bob,
Its a good reminder to
check the trailer regos......I wouldnt have expected it to be as serious as the fine seems to reflect as long as the vehicle towing it was registered and the driver licenced. Hate to open a can of worms ,but under the circumstances, I would have thought any decent coppers would have issued a warning???
You'll probably find that stats show most trailer infringments are paid and easily processed compared to other offences....hence the amount.
Nothing to do with revenue, hey?
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Vince M (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 15:25
Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 15:25
in nsw about $530.00 but if you have a registered plate from a different trailer its a criminal offence as its fraud & its of to court you may go, I no a few that have got done switching plates (my trailer trade plate costs the same as a car trade plate the only difference in no 3rd party insurance cost)
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 16:36
Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 16:36
Yep ,some will allways try and rort the system to save a few $$ and come out with the excuse of "but I only use the trailer once or twice per year so why should I pay for a full years rego " ,,,, had a neighbour that used to swap his rego plate from 6x4 trailer to camper trailer to boat trailer until he got sprung by his new neighbour on the otherside of the road that turned out to be a Mr + Mrs police couple ,,turned out the Richard Cranium was also swapping his car rego plates from his daily
sedan to his 4x4 on weekends ,,,
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Follow Up By: NTVRX - Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 19:27
Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 19:27
It's an offence actually termed "fraudelent use of plate & or display plate other than prescribed" Fines are 2 X Penalty Notices One for Unregistered trailer & one for the Fruadelent plate useage.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 22:29
Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 22:29
His new neighbour "Mr and Mrs policeman" probably wonders why they have no friends.
You'd think theyd be smart enough to just whisper in the local coppers ears rather than bust your own new neighbour after spying and checking them out...
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