Today Tonight are running another report on four wheel drives

"4WD driver drivers should be forced to go to a 5 day course how to drive and to demonstrate what the environmental disasters they cause by cutting up the tracks in a totally irresponsible way by hooning."

It would be like normal car license. They would do the course, (by the way who is paying for my 5 days off work? and for the course?) and like a car license test, forget it all. Like heaps of things, you do it cause you have to, then .....

"I would say at best 25% of 4WD people are responsible environmental thinking drivers."

I think ya dreaming.

"No other solution because generally 4WD drivers continue to be the most irresponsible bunch of idiots."

Ahhhhhh didnt realise this was only a troll, apologise..

I wish people wouldn't keep advocating ever more licenses whether it be to drive a 4by or go fishing or whatever.
It does absolutely nothing except employ more bloody bureaucrats and officious busy bodies.
It won't improve the behaviour of low life on or off road, in carparks or the bush, it won't stop pillocks running over their own kids in driveways, and above all it won't stop other drivers with nothing better to do with their time, bloody whinging about 4 x 4's for one reason or other!

"I see it every trip". Why the bloody hell don't you take down some rego numbers and let the authorities know? Your lack of action is almost as unforgivable as the actions of the morons who drive irresponsibly.

what about all the large buses on fraser island wrecking the place . the tracks are rooted .

Hey Truckster,

Careful mate - you'll have that whacky volvo bloke getting "up you" again :):)

William
what you say may be partly true..... for a small minority of people. To suggest only 25% are reponsible is way off the mark IMHO. Even a 55 day course/licence wouldn't change the behaviour of the irresponsible few. Certainly I would say all those I go 4WDing with are responsible.
There will always be idiots and the best defence is NOT more licences and regulation.
This country runs on red tape.

William, You want 4wders to do a 5 day course and as a 4wder yourself, as you have stated that you do trips, you would do the course yourself?
May I suggest that this course be mandatory for ALL drivers so that it include 1/2 hour on 4wding and the rest on how to drive on the road ie advanced driver training. People of all ages are getting killed on the roads through poor driving skills but this does not appear to be an issue with you or if it is are you suggesting a 10 day course?
Sure there are hoons and cowboys out there but that is a fact of life in all walks of life and to state that 75% of 4wder's are in this category is a gross overstatement and undermines the excellent work carried out by Tread Lightly and Track Care.
Pick up your bat and ball and go home.

MarkGetaway Portable Refrigerator Hire

ahh William,

Are you same bloke who complains when you're behind a 4WD and can't see in front of them, never mind if you were to get any closer you'd have the front of your car resting on the tow bar of the vehicle in front of you. your sort forget that if you slow down, or heaven forbid, change lanes you can then see what is happening, or even better, just be patient. So then does that mean that since the Kia Carnival and the Rav4 are the same size, but the Kia a 2wd, the Kia should also be taken from the road or the driver do a 5 day course. It seems to me that alot of these people who complain about big cars such as these have no idea of camping, 4wding and so if they don't like it, why should anyone else.
It seems that there alot of people who have nothing better to do than complain about other peoples interests rather than get on with ther own lives.
Should I then, and every one else get rid of my 4wd dual cab that I use for work, and play because I am an irresponsible 4WD'er, or be made to do a 5 day course. How would you know? You must of travelled alot and seen so many people to reach your figure of 25%. That figure is rubbish.
If some one wants to buy a 4WD then that is their choice. If they take it off road or not is nobodies elses business. OK, some of these cars are alot bigger than some people are used to but in the end that is their business.
I am more worried about tossers "hooning" in their V8 cars with no experience with a fast car. Or motorcyles dragging of at lights and racing.
William where do you get your figures from? Is it just a guess, I think so.
Are you the same person that would winge if he had to do the 50kph speed limit on a suburban back street cause you have an auto gearbox and the car can't go any slower?
I think to be fair, the license class should change. Here in Perth you can drive a large car such as a Patrol or L' Cruiser, (just the first 2 cars that came to my head) on an A class license. Maybe people should be made to do the license test for a small truck or bus.
There will always be idiots driving not just 4WD's but all types of transport, there will always be idiots riding motocross bikes, there will always be people who make the mistake of walking in front of a car or going through a stop sign.
I seems that Today Tonight have run out of stories again so a re-run of an old faithful that they know they will get a reaction to is the way to go.
Hey, you're not employed by Today Tonight are you?

just my opinion
cheers
mike

Since when can you go 4x4ing and not do a little bit of damage?

I don't mean the plants etc but the track itself. If you have to go through a boghole for example what do you do?

Do a u-turn? That's just defeated the purpose of low range. Obviously if it's a deep one and you know that you'll definitely get stuck without a doubt then maybe desist and retreat.
All tracks I've been on around the Perth area change from season to season and this would most likely be attributed to weather and 4x4 usage - which is what it's there for.

If you went down a track where there's no level of difficulty you may as well take a normal car.

I don't 'cut up' or carry on like that but if there's a track that's not closed I'll give it a go rather then say, "oh, it's not like bitumen, let's turn around and go home"

Some tracks to get through require high rpm and may throw abit of dirt/mud/water all over the place but that's just part of it - there's no set speed formula for every little obstacle.

Nice southerly coastal fishing trip someday.
Chris

Just by way of interest William you might be interested in the results of a recent poll we ran last month of this very site asking for this group of readers viewpoints on 4WDs. Interestingly enough 91% voted that most of the 4Wd adverts we see on TV, and in mags etc are irresponsible, and show disregard for the environment. You can check out various posts on the issue as there was hot discussion on it. What this result tells you is that from the 1/4 million readers we have on ExplorOz each month - a large slice of the industry - 91% are indeed very concerned about the environment and the way that drivers behave. This group do not believe that these images portray in mainstream media are indicitive of themselves. Just thought you'd be intersted in some actual statistics we have on the issue.Regards Michelle,
Spread the word - ExplorOz.com

yep, should be buried in the same hole as A current Affair.

cheers
mike

They have holes for these shows?Laterally Literal
Seriously Cerebral

Bonz, of course they have holes for these shows. Between some ears.Regards

JohnR - Not enough of the right travelling, some here..... some over there.......

SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!! Much better viewing, and I might even learn to cook if I wasn't so distracted.......

And where do these cooking shows get off... encouraging wanton consumption of unhealthy high cholesterol stuff like chocolate and cream, spilling it all down her fingers and all over the benchtop. Bloody irresponsible. Should ban all cooking shows while we're at it...

Lots of clubs have special clean up days or weekends
If you want info check out some of the 4WD club sites
unfortunitly cannot post any pic's here.

Check out the work done & still being done (next Working Bee Aust.Day Weekend) for the 03 bushfire victims.

Obivously not in a club to see what they do & a group of 4by drivers does not mean they are in a club.

Seeing you have the map cords did you send them off to DSNE or local shire office ?

Cheers
Prado TD Auto

Oh Darling!!!

I hope you're paying a licence fee to Jeanie Little for the use of her signature.

Strewth Mate, is that the best you can do?? Would you like some suggestions for TV watching?? You must be so bored to sit down and write this rubbish!!

Get out there and see what really is happening.

Cheers (I think)
Nomad

Nice try, but I dont have Diff Locks.
I have a snorkel for saving me $1000's on engine rebuilds if I find water too deep..

Ive been on a few club cleanup trips, track clearing trips, how many you been on?

Game over Try again.

Have photo's of about 10 actually, removing car bodies to the tip, cleaning up walking tracks, removing rubbish from camp areas, YOU?????

I have bleep loads of photos.. WHERE?

Not saying all are, just some people putting themselves on a pedestal with comments when reality not the same.

One year membership, well done, you only have 16 more to catch up.

I would be very interested to hear what happens next month to the prick.