Tim Flannery Warns of Endangered Species in National Parks

Debateable............Sometimes!

Hi Allan,
Yes he makes some good points in the interview - and he is one his home turf here so maybe worth taking notice of. Unfortunately the good doctor has lost a lot of the credibility that he formerly had (15 years ago) because of really OTT statements about climate change, weather patterns - of the scaremongering "its never going to rain again" variety.

The cynic in me wonders if perhaps he is trying to reposition himself onto safer ground?

Cheers,

Val.

It' is absolutely gobsmacking what one will expouse, say, rabbit on about etc etc etc, when one has their snout shoulders deep in the Federal Government tax payers dollar trough.

Flannery!!......Ha ha ha!!
I would not quote, link or associate myself with anything that man says.
Enough said.

Thanks Allan, very interesting. knowledgeable unlike some.

Flannery is paid $200,000 a year part time to be a mouthpiece for our current Socialist Federal Goverment. For that incentive, i would talk the same crap as he does!! Michael

Tim Flannery.
Do you believe there are fairys in the botton of the garden ?
Lock up the country and let the ferrals have it .Keep ccommon sense out of the argument.!!
Give every doomsdayer a govt. job,forget about industry.farming,livestock.If you worry about the country stay in the city....
Cut it out..

Extract from the Quarterly Essay.

I wonder who's paying the world bank? they seem to think were in trouble

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-19/world-bank-issues-global-warming-warning/4379634

"Tim Flannery Warns of Endangered Species in National Parks". Now we know they are all going to be OK. He warned us in Sydney that we would never see Warragamba Dam full again ... but .... surprise ... it is ....

Get back in your tinny Tim, and crack a cold one.

Jack

One species appears to be thriving

anyone that is on a payroll to one of the players cant be trusted to give the whole story.
Personally I want to know why tim rejects the science that says the ice age was caused by a cosmic event and the earth still has not returned to pre-ice age temperatures.
I figure its all crapola and I love the smell of overfuelled V8's and diesels and we should log every forest because trees cause almost all carbon dioxide. we can get all the unemployed greenies to do it.

G'day Allan
Late to this but it reads just like all the others. Here's the precis. Someone puts forward views backed by respectable climate science. The reactionaries then pour out their vitriol and attempt to confound the science with pseudo science and all that rather childish "explain this then" guff.

And behind it all is the inconvenient truth that some people simply won't accept any restriction on their divine right to sodomise the planet. There is a word for that mentality. In fact rather a lot words flood into my head, but giving voice to them would serve little purpose.

I like Flannery, not least because he feels as well as thinks. Sadly, such people are wasted on those who react instead of doing either convincingly.

Cheers
Mark

I just don't understand what all the "Believers" are doing on this site anyway, which promotes leisure travel throughout Australia in fuel guzzling 4WD's, surely you should be staying in your earthen dugout conserving what precious little time the planet has left.

You would also be collecting your solar rebates from the government which are funded by the export of coal to industrial nations.

Well, The worlds population is growing at an alarming rate, governments and businesses think that if we have more people we get more jobs and then that creates never ending growth to fuel the need for more people to create more jobs and more super profits for the already very rich and greedy? We are now seeing third world countries like China and India buying cars like never before, millions of them, more electricity to people that never had it before. Not to mention the extra pollution!! More upmarket goods are being manufactured and purchased in these third world countries than even before as the emerging middle class starts to spend. We as ordinary people have no say in the way the world is changing and making small changes to the way we live is merely a "feel good" gesture. With resources being consumed at the rate they are around the world, the earth has a finite life, Australia and Africa and Canada will more than likely be the main quarries for the world resources in the future and I wonder how long it will take our beautiful Australia, the Apple of the world, to become a mere Apple core, due to mining and Coal seam gas wells! With a prediction of 12 billion people on the planet by 2050, its obvious the planet cannot stay the way it is, so live on and enjoy, prolonging the inevitable is futile, squeezing in one or two more generations is neither here nor there!! More people, more jobs and more growth is not sustainable! Michael

As I said above, this debate is getting off the OP's original point that there is a measurable depletion of species diversity going on at the moment. The evidence that species are going or bordering on extinction is very strong. Getting past the Ad hominem attacks on Flannery, his warning is relevant, and the type who enjoy attacking his character is I suspect is half the problem here.

Hi Allan,

I reckon what he says is very true. You only have to travel to any of the Western NSW National Parks to see the huge numbers of feral animals which now occupy them...especially goats and cats. Any small marsupials do not stand a chance of survival with cats around. It is a tragedy!
Thanks for providing the link to the Interview.

regards,

Heather

Yes Allan,

Many of the responses to your original post also alarmed and shocked me! If we dont get our act together soon then the generations who follow us will have a vastly different experience to us when they visit National Parks.

regards,

Heather

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As the Original Poster of this thread I would point out that the topic was "Endangered Species in National Parks".

There have been 73 responses to the topic of that original post.
Only 5 of those responses have addressed the topic.
The rest have banged on about climate change and expressions to denigrate Tim Flannery.

Clearly the thread is off topic.

Accordingly at an earlier point in this debate I used the "Alert Moderator" facility to express that this has become a mud-slinging debate and that the Moderator should perhaps consider locking the thread. Nothing happened to the thread and I received no response from the Modsquad. As this has happened on the only two other occasions that I have used the "Alert Moderator" function I wonder if that function is actually operative from my computer and hope that a Moderator will read this post and act or contact me via Member Message.

I hasten to add that this is not a criticism of Moderation. It is an attempt at an alternative means of contacting a moderator.

Allan,

The modsquad received your request and provided due consideration. Our apologies for not having responded directly but we have day jobs, family commitments and the like that keep us busy. The excuse you provided for requesting the thread be locked was that the thread had descended into mud-slinging. At the time of your request we, reviewed and discussed the thread. Because we have the previousely mentioned day jobs and family commitments and the fact that we all live in different parts and time zones of Oz, it can take a bit of time to get responses. The end result was that we didn’t see mud slinging as such, just strong opinions as is often the case in emotive topics. That opinion still holds.

One of the root causes for the comments on climate debate would seem to be the fact that you refer directly to Mr Flannery who most people would recognise as the head of the Australian Climate Commission. In fact in the start of the link you provided, Mr Flannery is introduced as exactly that. “The head of the Australian Climate Commission says that.......”


Further, you then make a broad generalisation that, and these are your words right at the top of the post; “Tim Flannery is not a radical, he speaks common sense”. Now like politics, the climate debate engenders strong debate and opinions. Tim Flannery is inescapably linked to that debate and a person would have to be Robinson Crusoe to have thought otherwise. Perhaps it might have been wise to make the clear distinction that you were referring to Tim’s view on the Wildlife because hanging an unqualified statement out there on a public forum is just asking for trouble. Alan, it’s a little bit rich to say you didn’t intend this to be about climate debate and global warming but then quite early in the piece, you directly linked an article on that very subject with the World Bank 4C hotter article.

Even if there had been name calling and hair pulling, the thread would not have been affected, just the offensive posts moderated. This post could be held out as an example of why considered thought before initiating a thread could be a very good idea.

Now that said, the argument is getting somewhat circular though people so it may be time to take your arguments about climate change off line and perhaps provide comment on endangered wildlife as we are sure Alan intended.

If anyone has any further issues, please contact us through the mod alert function or modsquad email and not the forum.

Thanks all

The Modsquad