Tuesday, Dec 22, 2015 at 20:23
Jim, as mentioned if is rough any way you go, and with a CT you might find the going slow, considerable recoveries needed (for any of your party towing), and if damage to a CT or tow vehicle, recoveries are $$$.
2015 Patrol, do you have the V8 petrol ?
If so, you have some grunt there for towing :)
So much depends on your camper build, if a really good genuine offroad, name / build then you'd probably be ok, not easy, but it should survive if taking the speed right where needed.
If you deflate tyres on the tow vehicle and CT, you can be all right to drive straight through with enough momentum etc, depends on how bad the sand is, hot / dry and it's deep fluffy (afternoons esp), damp from night cool in the mornings and it's a lot easier.
French Line is very undulating, so yes, I'd avoid that towing.
Also complicating the rather slow track is it will be very busy then, and multiple hold ups of recoveries with both people towing and non towing, makes it a slow drive.
We did FL all the way on a July trip this year, so much traffic, we couldn't tell who was Arthur or Martha on the radio calls, most couldn't tell you where they were (!), you just had to keep a good
lookout.
WAA Line is sort of a mini French Line, but a good line to drive generally, less used and not as chopped up.
I did that April 2014, so can't tell you what it was like this year.
Just the last week of October gone, I did Rig Rd from
Warburton X entry on the BV Tk all the way to French Line, then out via Dalhousie and south to the Ood Tk.
It was considerably easier than French and WAA Lines, but does have a couple of fun dunes, and just as many (but smaller in size).
The K1 track up to Peoppel is pretty good, generally following the corridors, but then you still need to get through QAA and that has some decent dunes and lots of traffic.
The drive out via
Warburton is easy, so maybe you could go out to the BV Tk, and up to the races from there, then do trip out from BV to Poeppel without the CT, and have a crack at Big Red on the way too ?
If you left BV very early, you could do Poeppel Cnr and back, approx 350km, but of course some of you route is slowish . . . 40km of that is pretty fast 80k's out to Big Red and back, between some dunes you can crack 40ks, a lot of the driving is 30ks or so.
Time to air down and up, half an hour to an hour at Big Red, Poeppel another half hour, probalby looking at a good 10 - 11 hour day.
I take it from BV you'll be driving
home to NSW via the east to better roads (via
Windorah), or maybe down to Innaminka and out via the corner region ?
Going up there, some advice on the route to Dalhousie.
If going via Mt Dare, take Bloods Ck route back to Dal, the more direct looking route could break your rig, tyres, or CT.
It's a boulder field going direct, up to soccer ball size, the rest are at least cricket ball size, be warned.
If ok for fuel ex
Oodnadatta and going from
Hamilton to Dal direct (
Hamilton has diesel but pricey ~ $2.45 from memory), take the same route, up past
Eringa Waterhole and left, or try Pedirka Tk.
Pedirka is usually very rough, but it was
well graded when we drove it out in Oct, and we managed 60 to 70k/hr in some
places.
Lots to see down there, from the south
Pedirka siding ruins, Cherrikana
Waterhole (careful not to scare animals here), Dalhousie
Ruins, Dalhousie Srpings proper
lookout, then of course Dalhousie for a swim.
My trip report here covers that crossing the other way to your travel, but might be of interest . . .
Rig Road Simmo report
There is reports before that covering my drive from Brissy across if you want road report via Walker X, Innaminka, east to SE QLD.
Of course it might rain and all your plans will be really knackered then !!! :)
Anyway, the planning side of things is great, enjoy the next 8 monts or so and have a back up to get there and back.
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Tuesday, Dec 22, 2015 at 20:29
Tuesday, Dec 22, 2015 at 20:29
Whoops, 3rd last para, sentence should read . . .
"If ok for fuel ex
Oodnadatta and going from
Hamilton to Dal direct (
Hamilton has diesel but pricey ~ $2.45 from memory), take the same route, up past
Eringa Waterhole and RIGHT, or try Pedirka Tk."
I was still thinking of coming the other way :)
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Follow Up By: Member - James L8 - Tuesday, Dec 22, 2015 at 21:27
Tuesday, Dec 22, 2015 at 21:27
Thanks Les for such a detailed description, I only have the 3 litre Patrol, my intention is to come down from
Alice Springs via Finke and then onto Mt Dare and
Dalhousie Springs. I think I may take the WAA/
Rig road to the BV track as you suggested and then take a run out to
Poeppel Corner and Big Red, after a couple of days at
Birdsville. Thanks again Jim
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Tuesday, Dec 22, 2015 at 22:00
Tuesday, Dec 22, 2015 at 22:00
Cool Jim, and no problems.
When going from Mt Dare to Dalhousie, you keep going straight to Bloods Ck Tk, then left and pick up Dalhousie Rd again, to avoid the boulder field.
The roads manager up there told me once they grade that flat, and the boulders just come up within a week or two, and they if / when the get funds, it will be realigned away from the problem.
You could go down Rig, onto WAA, then Erabena or Knolls down to Rig Rd to go out, or just stick to Rig all the way ?
Lone Gum is a nice little detour, and a few camps just near the tree(s) on side tracks, fit in there fine with a CT.
That's a good route down from north.
When we got to Mt Dare on the July trip, we headed up to Alice via Finke (did the West Macs, looped around west to Gosse
Bluff, back to
Palm Valley and out
Boggy Hole to the south).
It was just after the Finke Desert Races and the road from Finke to Maryvale was REALLY bad, so heavily corrugated.
Hopefully it may have been graded since, and still ok before your visit, though the races will be on again June QB long weekend before your trip through there !!
Just be aware of how bad that bit of road can be.
I had a delay at Mt Dare (broken torison bar mount to get welded up) and I sent the others with me on ahead, they took about 7hrs to cover the 270km to
Chambers Pillar, I left Mt Dare at 1400 to catch up with them, and got in at 1945, and about 5hrs driving, had a blowout to change near Mulgrave.
From Maryvale,
Chambers Pillar side trip and
camp there the night is very worthwhile, that road's not as bad as Finke - Maryvale, good
camp and awesome sunset / sunrise
views.
This is the
Red Centre trip report if keen for a read and look at pics / tracks.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Wednesday, Dec 23, 2015 at 00:24
Wednesday, Dec 23, 2015 at 00:24
Hi Jim, I endorse everything that Les has said above and will add a couple of my thoughts.
It will be a big ask to get over some dunes with only a 3 litre vehicle. At least you are less likely to tear-up the track. Low tyre pressures (15-18psi) and choosing the right gear to avoid the need for a gear-change halfway up is the go.
On our annual visits to the Western deserts we usually trek across the Simpson and have always gone via the French/QAA Line with no difficulty. However this year on our eastward leg we went via the
Rig Road all the way to the
Warburton Track and out to the main
Birdsville Track. Certainly this route was somewhat "easier" than the direct French/QAA route, but the bigger benefit was the more attractive scenery. I doubt that I will ever bother with the QAA again! Turn South off the French Line at Wonga Corner, 30km after
Purni Bore. This route will take you right past the Lone Gum and there are good
camp spots all along the route. Certainly you will miss
Poeppel Corner which is not a 'big deal' in my book unless you need to tick it off the bucket list. lol
As Les said, you can do a day trip out to Poeppels via Big Red without the trailer.
Les described the road down from
Alice Springs via Finke to Mt Dare rather accurately. It is usually badly corrugated and with soft sandy patches. An attractive alternative is to go from Alice to Mt Dare via Santa Teresa and Old
Andado. This is quite a comfortable track and provides an opportunity to inspect the
homestead of Molly Clark (Google it) still maintained as she lived in it. On our last visit, caretakers were in residence and promptly put the kettle on for tea and cake. Memorable!
From the Alice, the Santa Teresa road is a continuation of the airport road. Santa Teresa was a Catholic Mission, now an indigenous community and the road to there is maintained in tip-top condition. The route through Santa Teresa township to
Andado is not signed but just follow your nose straight up to the tee-
junction and turn right.
Which ever way you go Jim, have a great trip.
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