information on Len Beadell's Aboriginal Stonehenge

Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 03, 2005 at 20:57
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As a followup to the post of 13/04/2004 by "equinox", I wanted to see if "lindsay" or in fact anyone at all could provide any more detailed information about the location of the stonehenge found by Beadell in late '52 or early '53 somewhere in the viscinity of 132°E28°40'S

There are loads of junk references to "Beadell's Aboriginal Stonehenge" on 4x4 tour sites, and on alternative conspiracy type sites, and these range from locations near the WA border in the Anne Beadell Hwy, to the Flinders ranges, to Ceduna for christ's sake. It is the one for which a chapter of "Blast The Bush" is named that I am searching for. I am beginning my research into a number of the geographical features mentioned in Len's books and am very keen on mapping out the GPS locations in more precision than he has done in his novels at least.

Does anyone know of a "library" containing Len's survey data?

Thanks heaps,
Kyuss
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Reply By: Willem - Thursday, Aug 04, 2005 at 17:14

Thursday, Aug 04, 2005 at 17:14
I went Googling and one can spend hours going in the opposite direction

I lifted this off a website matrix-messenger.tripod.com

Might not be of any help.

"Through email correspondence with researcher Bruce Raphael ..

I found a Grid LONG for the major archaeological site of

'Aboriginal Stonehenge' in Australia.

The Grid LONG I found for that very important site is ..

127910.073 E.Giza ..

= 100 (deg) X 53 (min) X 24.13397604 (sec) E.Giza.

[ E.Greenwich 132 deg 01 min 24.93397604 sec ].

And (see below) 127910.073 W.ALNITAK .. is the Grid LONG

of .. GALACTIC CENTER of Jan. 1, 2000 ..

(Morton, 2001, Internet), as well as an_identical_decimal harmonic to

the apparent fractional number of arc-seconds_in_the E.CYDONIA

longitude of this Mars structure !! "

I see one of the co-ordinates given are slightly different to yours. I place this site as west of Emu and south of Anne Beadell Hwy, looking at my maps.
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Reply By: lindsay - Thursday, Aug 04, 2005 at 18:38

Thursday, Aug 04, 2005 at 18:38
Kyuss, not sure if i am the lindsay, however i tried to get a permit to go there a couple of years back.I applied for a permit to look at some rock structures south of Emu. I recieved a reply that if i was referring to the stonehenge as described in beadells book and even quoted the page , then i could not get a permit. the only reference i have is the page 176 of blast the bush and the mud map on page 201.
i even rang canberra to try but to no avail.
Mark Shephards book "a lifetime in the bush" has some co ordinates.
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Reply By: Willem - Thursday, Aug 04, 2005 at 20:40

Thursday, Aug 04, 2005 at 20:40
Kyuss

As a follow up to your question and my post I received a reply from another person through my website and here is part of his letter to me.

' I was granted permission to visit the site in August 1982 and still have
the letter of approval from the Dep't of Environment & Planning (SA)
and a copy of the Dep't site notes brochure. Site register number is
5240-0192.
A grid reference is noted on the site record as follows Map Sheet:
"Wells" 1:250,000 Grid Reference 506410 It is also on an aerial
photo referenced as Survey 1825 Frame 147 dated 10/6/75

Back then permission to visit was fairly easily obtained as it was in
the Maralinga Prohibited Area and had not yet been handed back to local
claimants. I believe there is very little chance of anyone getting
permission to visit these days.

The trip I made was to Emu, the Totem sites and down to Observatory
Hill; then back up and on to Surveyor General corner on one of Len's
tracks which ran NW from a point about 50 km west of Emu Junction. I
spoke a number of times with Len before the trip and he indicated that
this track had not been used for over 25 years and from the undergrowth
we encountered I have little reason to doubt him. His dozer track was
not difficult to follow even after all that time. According to Len he
sometimes took some 'strange people' out to Stonehenge. They apparently
believed it was on a confluence of force lines which they believed cover
the earth !
Len also stated that none of the locals he came across knew anything
about the site and in fact considered it "rubbish" as it did not feature
in any of their stories or ceremonies at the time.
Whoever made it had gone to considerable efforts to construct the
arrangements for although they are not large, the tallest being just
over a metre high, the main arrangements cover a large area probably 70
-80 metres across. Further out up to another 100 metres were the
occasional arrangements as if they were markers to the main site.
An interesting area which I was fortunate to see. These days it would
probably be totally trampled and souvenired by some of the thoughtless
morons that venture to remote places; like the clowns that stole one of
the Canning well buckets a few years ago.
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Follow Up By: equinox-Kings Canyon - Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 17:41

Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 17:41
Willem,

That grid reference does not make any sense.

The best I could derive from that reference (506410) was that it meant UTM Zone 53 750600E 6841000N and that would put the Stonehenge pretty much right on the Emu to Serpentine lakes road (Ann Beadell Highway) which cannot be correct as it is more likely to be a bit more to the south east from that point.

Can you make heads or tails of that reference?

Equinox
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 19:54

Sunday, Aug 07, 2005 at 19:54
Equinox

No, it does not make sense to me either!

From what I can deduct this site must lie at the end of a cleared line probably not marked on the map.

This cleared line and another on the map have a junction at UTM 216740E and 6827200N This is on Map 53J on my Raster mapping

The site would be somewhere north of Observatory Hill.

If in the future you are interested in an exploratory trip email me through my website below and we can talk.
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Reply By: signman - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 15:06

Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 15:06
Info from a DEH ranger- the 'stonehenge' is at Observatory Hill.
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Reply By: kyuss - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 19:19

Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 19:19
Thanks heaps for all of your responses guys. I have figured that indeed, as suggested it will not be possible to get a permit for the site, but to get to Observatory Hiill should be cool, and accordingly that is what I'll aim for.

On the "Giles" sheet of the Auslig 1:250K maps, looks like there is a track branching off North from the Emu-Maralinga road, about 5Km south of Observatory Hill at 132°02'15"E 29°00'50"S, and going to a claypan (as is described in Blast The Bush).

I cannot really understand the UTM referencing, but Willem, as I am pretty keen on following a few of Len's exploratory trips, I'll be in touch for sure.

So my best guess from all of this feedback as well as literary suggestion and guesswork, is that Len Beadell's Aboriginal Stonehenge is on the Western 'shore' of a claypan visible on the Auslig map "SH 53-1 Giles" south-west corner, centred upon grid coordinates 132°00'25"E 28°57'30"S about 5 km directly west (as the crow...) of Observatory Hill. If not this particular claypan, it would be one of the numerous marked ones within a couple of kilometres of here.

Thanks greatly all.
Kyuss
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Follow Up By: signman - Thursday, Aug 11, 2005 at 13:12

Thursday, Aug 11, 2005 at 13:12
G'day Kyuss
I guess you are aware of the stone features at the Nth end of the runway near Neale Junction???
Are you aware of the stone arrangements near the dog fence just west of Mabel Creek??
I have pics of both sets of arrangements if you are interested. I was out there end of July.
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Follow Up By: kyuss - Friday, Aug 12, 2005 at 19:49

Friday, Aug 12, 2005 at 19:49
signman,

i had not heard details only hearsay of the existence of others. If you have photos that would be great, and if you have detailed location information that too would be great.

are we supposed to post e-mail addresses on this board? ahh whatever, i'm kyuss@internode.on.net

thanks again man.
kyuss
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