Prado 150 or Landcruiser 200?

That really is outstandly low fuel consumption for a 2700kg car! how much does the 4700cc v8 cost to service?

do have to do stuff to the injectors at certain intervals?

are tyres really $500 bucks each.
thanks but i drive a falcon and just don't know (about L/C's) ( i know other stuff, well a bit a bit anyway)

Can't give you any answers as it has only had one service, and the company pays the bill.
It has only done 11,000 km's so have not had to touch the injectors and not had to replace a tyre.
The bad point on tyres is the VX model and sahara both have 18'' wheels, not 17'' as the GXL and you can not buy a big range of tyres in 18'' that you can in 17''.

I am very happy with the economy after my 4.8 petrol Patrol, however the Patrol was the best 4wd at the time and gave me 6 years of no repair costs. (Bullet proof)

Time will tell if the the 200 will be the same, but I will enjoy the journey.

Both have fixed price services for first 6 (60 000km) , $210.
Don't know the difference thereafter though

"...tips over at some 42 degrees"
Well Robin just as well then, that 99.99% of Prado drivers never have the need to go past 20 degrees side angle let alone 42 ;-)
Having watched many Prado's in serious action with the lcool group, stability & offroad ability were never an issue & don't expect the 150 series would be much different. For a tow vehicle it would do the job well with sufficient power & it's smaller size (than a 200) would make it a far more user freindly vehicle to drive (& park) around town.
Cheers Craig...

mention the word prado on this forum and it will be a safe bet that Robin will trot out the usual crap "the prado falls over at x degrees" but wait you can get a Pootrol that won't fall over but may in fact self detonate at the sight of an incline.
the Question from a loyal Toyota fan was 200s or 150s, not which nissan to buy.
my opinion a Prado has for the last 13years suited our needs without not one problem,and not once has it ever rolled over and maybe a new one would serve us just as well if i could find the $ and a 200s would be too big for our needs.Which ever you buy i'm sureyou will be happy with it.check out these sites for good specific info.
http://www.pradopoint.com/
http://www.lcool.org/forum/index.php

"the usual crap "the prado falls over at x degrees"
It's not crap Rags, Prado's in particular the narrower 90 series do have a slightly lesser rollover angle but then if that was the only criteria we bought 4x4's by we'd even have to sell the Patrols too & all buy soft top Jeep Wranglers ;-))

Hi Robin should have known you would be along on this subject when it comes to prados !!! and their rolling over. I've had two of them now and a hilux prior, all 3 have managed to stay upright and the hilux did some serious off road stuff which has a narrower track (just) then the prados, and when it comes to the 150 series they are wider then the previous two models. While I agree (as previous posts on this subject) that the patrols are wider track at the end of the day it comes down to the driver, I probably wouldn't be game enough to take any 4wd to its limits before it falls over. The Kakadu is a brilliant piece of machinery with all the bells and whistles not for every body some like to keep it simple for others they want it. Funny you never mention troopys or pajeros, hilux's or any of the narrower vehicles that are quit capable always the prado ?? Just think if you had a narrower prado then the patrol you might have been able to sneak down a narrow lane way the other night and got away from the bloke in his vehicle (ford falcon for memory) he would have wiped out his mirrors on the fences on his way through or not fit at all, just would have had to be careful turning into the lane way so you didnt end up on your side..... LOL Have a good night. Regards Steve M

Thanks Robin. Interesting what you say about the Motor change. I forgot to mention that in my original post. A work colleague has on good authority that the Prado will have a New motor by Feb '11, Possibly a Common Rail Diesel V6??. Which yes is another reason for the Cruiser as a purchase now. I would love to wait I guess and see what they are like, but unfortunately we don't have that soret of time frame. Cheers and Thanks for your reply,
Keepingitreal.

Hi Guys

What a range of responses to deal with.

Hi Rags
You know its not crap , you simply have to turn to a Toyota website
and look at the specs which show the latest Prado at 42 degrees
and early ones worse, whereas Patrols are 48.
What you get here is reliable verifiable information and any person
considering a purchase should be able to get the undistorted facts.

May be you should read.
http://toyotacustomerstory.blogspot.com/
or this sites thread 57968.


Hi Wherehegon
Every time a question is asked about any car including Troppies etc ,
we answer it with correct information, I think that there are more Prado's
around and so more people ask about it.

Hi Crackles
(How come you posted the last troppy rollover picture - but I seem to get the responses).
Your question of relevance is valid question - "does it matter that they roll more easily ?"
From earlier posts you probably know that we have been in situations where the 6-8 extra degrees would have been the difference, but many people never are thats true.

Previously noted sites show the link is essentially linear (http://www.monash.edu.au/muarc/) and its difficult within the Victorian road stats system to isolate exactly the impact.

This specific question was about suitability for towing - remember that post on this site about a combination Prado/Van going slowly over a slight downhill bend just over the top of a crest.
The whole system rolled as the brakes / ABS appeared to mishandle the situation, I leave out the messy details , but the owner on approaching Toyota was told of 2 similar cases and this was never resolved to my knowledge.

Any person seriously considering this combination needs to be made aware of these things and then make up their own mind in an un-emotional way.

Robin
Thanks for your feedback,my issue with the quoting of potential roll over of a prado 42deg as opposed to say a patrol relates the relative interpretaton of the figures.The real difference between say 42deg and 48degs would be approx 180mm difference in rise over 2000mm wide car which could equate with maybe a wrong wheel placement on say a small rock when offroad.To be considering to drive on these type of side slopes would i say be considered foolish.I think most roll overs would involve some form of formed road with far less side slope or camber than say 42 degs ,maybe speed and driver error.It would certainly not be exclusive to only Prados but any or all makes of cars.In fact we had friends who rollled there GQ Patrol out St George qld way years ago and squashed our borrowed engel [never did get to see if it still worked],and the driver will tell you that he made an error,also as a young 17year old with some mates in a hired mini moke out the back country from Byron Bay we rolled what most would say as being a stable car.
I think what would be a good discussion and maybe would be a good new post for you to start is the full list of all vehicles makes and models as may be used by user of this forum and all the statistics as available including roll overs per vehicle conditions contributing factors locations etc. They must be available as a comparison rather than singling out a Prado because the brochure says 42deg .
Robins quote
"What you get here is reliable verifiable information and any person
considering a purchase should be able to get the undistorted facts."
we only seem to be getting the prado fact.
As the original poster asked was an opinion of 2 toyotas to there suitability as tow vehicle and general use.I'm sure both would suit their needs as would some other makes and models and driven safely will not present any potential accidents.
cheers
Russ

Robin
I ment to say in my above post reply that there is no offence taken and i like reading your input on this forum maybe the only thing missing sometimes is the campfire and a beer as these discussions would be good debates around a camp
Russ

Hi Russ, yeah the same from me to Robin (no offence taken or meant), he likes to have a dig about the prados and roll overs but at the end of the day every one is entitalled to there opinion, we dont all some times agree but thats what its all about hence my little joke to Robin at the end he knows what Im talking about (one of Robins posts) Have a great night guys. Regards Steve M

That was a 120 series gxl and from looking at the crash site on a slight bend, the driver failed to take the curve, clipped a sign swerved and overcorrected. I'm not 100% sure but the sign may have taken out the rear tyre that would have had all the load on it as he overcorrected contributing to the rollover.
It is very sad for the families concerned but don't blame the vehicle all the time as these gismos (VSC which wasn't fitted) can't always prevent driver error.

I'm hearing you Moose, although a week later and the wife will be happy again anyway. Travel long distances as a family ( 2 younger kids), so extra luggage space would be slightly beneficial but Prado probably has enough. Offroad use a bit but certainly not serious every w/e. I was looking at the big picture also for resale, and was thinking the GXL 200 would hold more value, relative, in 4-5 yrs. With the Prado bringing a new motor out in 2011 (supposedly), this could also affect its resale??? I guess I am sold on the Cruiser, but just have to convince the better half. Many thanks for your response. Cheers

I can't comment much on the LC200 but I can for the Prado. I'm actually going to order one this coming August for delivery n November. Yes delivery will take 12 weeks as confirmed by my dealer. I've taken both the petrol and diesel for a test drive and I'd have to say, I'd be extra cautious when overtaking a truck in the diesel.

Also keep in mind the Prado 150 unlike the 120 has folded rear seats, taking up unncessary space for your 4 person family. It also has a smaller fuel tank as compared to the 120. Just making some observations that may have been overlooked.

The bells and whistles on a Kakadu are much over rated. If you do decide on a Prado, I'd recommend you get the VX instead and put the savings towards some aftermarket accessories. Just depends how deep your pockets are I guess. Resale wise, I believe the lower grades are easier to sell than the Kakadu.

In regards to the rumor of Toyota coming out with a new Diesel engine in 2011, I believe it would affect resale price, however not that much as many people will still be looking for the trusted and proven performance of the d4d. Also the new Diesel would more than likely be relatively more expensive and hence not kill the market for previous Prado models. Have a look at the marginal price of the 120 and the 150. Having said that, people may toss up between a new generation prado GXL, say, and your similarly priced Kakadu, another reason to get a VX. At the end of the day, it's about what makes you happy for what you can afford and what best suits your needs.

I have contacts in Toyota, and none of them know of any Diesel engines being released any time soon, so I wouldn't worry too much about this issue. I certainly am not. There is however a new V6 petrol engine being released in 2012.

Cheers
Will

I have had a LC200 GXL since February 2010 and have done 17,000km. My wife loves to drive it whether towing our van (1500kg) or on its own. The power available makes for very easy driving up and own hills and on the flat. The only thing I am disappointed about is the lack of trip computer where the Prado appears to come with many more bells and whistles. I dont think you would be disappointed with a LC200 if you went that way.